I'm not sure if the quality of play has changed or if you have forgotten how these players actually play. I'm not saying they play great by any means. But they aren't stupid either.
I do agree that there is a certain amount of gross exaggeration that goes on when people talk about the stupidity that goes on at lower limits.
Again, with SnG's we are trying to make the money first. With the stack we already have, we are going to make the money an extremely high % of the time, and probably have the chip lead when it's three handed. Which is right where we want to be to win the whole thing.
Yeah, those were my initial thoughts as well. In your situation at that table, if you shoved, you wouldn't just be shoving the ~2700(?) chips, you'd also basically be putting your almost-guaranteed cash in the pot as well.
That's where all the +EV talk kinda falls apart. Yes, in a vacuum, shoving 2800 chips with AK preflop against a small raise is a +EV move, I'm sure. But you're not just pushing 2800 chips vs. 2800 chips. You're shoving 2800 chips and anywhere from $1.80 to $4.50 versus just 2800 chips. (Depending on how much chance to cash/win we would assume we'd lose if we lost the pot.)
The risk of a catastrophic loss versus the chance of a tiny gain.
I guess I just don't see the value of shoving at all here.
I also guess this is really just a longer version of the same post I wrote 6 pages ago, heh. Oh well.