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Stefano Tomei

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Table of 9 players and I'm UTG +1 starting the hand with roughly 75k. At the table a have a tight aggressive image and during the last hands I opened quite often always showing a good range in the showdown.

Blinds 200/400

Utg folds
I have got QsQh and open raise to 1150
The others fold until the button (calling station player) who calls. SB (maniac player, plays 9 hands out of 10) calls and BB calls too.

Pot nearly 4700 (with ante)

Flop: 2s 5h 8s

SB and BB check
I c-bet to 2500
Button calls
SB calls
BB folds

Turn: 2c

SB checks
I bet 5700
Button folds
SB calls

River: Th

SB checks
I decide to bet again to 9350
SB raises all in for 32000

I tank nearly one minute and call

SB shows A2 off and wins the pot.
 
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Spontaneously I think I would have raised the flop a little more like 3200, just because it was 3 other players left and I would want to protect my hand against the flush draw, but the SB would probably still call anyway...

The turn bet could also have been larger, but he would still call or even raise.

On the river though you could choose to check, because his play is confusing and he could have anything, if you knew he would fold a bad hand you would want to check. Also the flush draw wasn't completed. But I also think you should value bet your hand against such loose players, so the play isn't bad in my opinion considering the style he has.

Then his all-in looks like he didn't hit that flush and trying to win the pot with a bluff, so the call is not bad in my opinion.

The summary of this is that he is a huge fish and in the long run you profit from those players, but sometimes like this you just are unlucky. I gues you could've been more careful playing against him, but in the long run you definitely would want to value bet that hand and this outcome would almost always be nearly impossible to get away from.
 
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Check river. Villain isn't calling a triple barrel with anything worse and you give him the opportunity to bluff his missed draws.

As played, I'm sigh folding to villain's shove. Your triple barrel looks super strong here and he has to be making an incredibly spazzy shove with a missed draw here for you to be good.
 
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As played river is a fold you only have a bluff catcher here and almost never good.
I don't know about that check raise on the river by your opponent although it worked out fine for him that is not good play by him.

I may have pot controlled turn with a check and look to call almost all river bets. Would have looked to give him a chance to bluff.
 
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Check river. What worse hands are calling? Maybe any Ten in his hand. However, once he shoves, you fold, and it would be a very tough fold. You played it fine, check the turn and check call river may be best route here.

Good luck!
 
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I would make pot bet on the flop. However probably the maniac would call. Another 2/3pot or pot bet on the river would give you indication if he has a set or hit the 2. Probably he would raise your pot bet on the river and this could give you an indication. However, against such a "maniac" player it is very tough to not call all in with such hand.
 
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check the river. you have some showdown value
 
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I would have bet more like 3200-3500 on the flop, then check folded on the river. he certainly wouldn't try to bluff all-in over top of your river raise with nothing very often
 
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maybe i would just raise 4bb preflop maybe even 5bb with pocket queens also c bet could be a little higher consdering that an ace or king on the turn would make your hand much weaker.
 
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I would open smaller to 900 from early position with antes
flop and turn are good I think except I would be betting a bit smaller with a smaller opening
check/call the river, it's really tough to get 3 streets with an overpair which should be high on villain's radar given the action, I agree with trent32la
 
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That check shove on the river raised my eyebrows lol I would've folded. Real tough one to lay down but that's a scary check shove. That's a trap!
 
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reise in the river if the villain calls all in
 
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200€ tournament

AVG: 54k

Table of 9 players and I'm UTG +1 starting the hand with roughly 75k. At the table a have a tight aggressive image and during the last hands I opened quite often always showing a good range in the showdown.

Blinds 200/400

Utg folds
I have got QsQh and open raise to 1150
The others fold until the button (calling station player) who calls. SB (maniac player, plays 9 hands out of 10) calls and BB calls too.

Pot nearly 4700 (with ante)

Flop: 2s 5h 8s

SB and BB check
I c-bet to 2500
Button calls
SB calls
BB folds

Turn: 2c

SB checks
I bet 5700
Button folds
SB calls

River: Th

SB checks
I decide to bet again to 9350
SB raises all in for 32000

I tank nearly one minute and call

SB shows A2 off and wins the pot.

I figure it would be easier to go each street here.

Preflop is good. Around 3 times the BB for the standard raise. Doubt it would change anything from SB even if you did raise more.

After Flop: There are 4 players in the pot (including yourself). With that board I want to isolate 1 if possible, so the bet was correct imo but I would have made it more. Possibly around 4000. But.....

Turn: you accomplished your goal here anyway to isolate. Nothing really wrong as you get heads up. Maybe the betting size like previously.

River: Like others said before I check as well, and it may be a check/fold. Remember this guy is a maniac not passive player (otherwise the bet I can understand). After the bet, which probably will be coming, you will have to decide if you think its a bluff or not. If my math is correct, the pot is 23,600 before your river bet.

I hope this helps.
 
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