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Stefano Tomei

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I think I played it well although I lost it. However this is the scenario:

We are in a 200€ buy in tournament that lasts two days. It's nearly the end of day 1. Average 140k. I have got 155k.
Table of 9 players and I am SB. Blinds 2/4K ante 400

Utg (loose-aggressive player with 160k) open raises to 10k, Utg +2 (calling station) calls. The other fold and I have QcJc and decide to call. BB calls too.

The pot is 43.6K
Flop: 4s 9c Ts
I check
Bb checks
Utg c-bets 16.5K
Utg+2 folds
I call
Bb folds

Turn: 4d
Board: 4s 9c Ts 4d

I have 128,5 left and check again
Utg bet 37k
I raise allin
Utg calls his remaining 96,5K

River: 3h

Utg wins the pot showing J T off
 
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Well in my opinion you played it a bit wrong. If he gave you the turn for free or with a minimum raise yes call him why not. He gave it to you with 1/3 of the pot. But then he raised a lot I would fold it if this would cost my tournament life. Never go all-in on a draw. Wait and call small bets - less than half the pot. If you hit the lucky card yes but else just fold it. Let's imagine another situation. You have 22. Would you go all in if the flop is A K 6 and praying for the third one? Yes 12 outs compared to 2 are much more but still there are 52 cards in the deck and your lucky outs could had been folded on the same round by other players ;)
 
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Most of times I would have folded after UTG bets 37k. Too much in play depending on last card.
 
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I think calling the flop was okay, but I would definitely fold after the turn card. You can't hit a flush which leaves you to 8 outs for the straight, you also have 6 outs to make a pair, but just one pair isn't very likely to win (even though it actually would this time). Consider you have 8 outs you will hit your straight in 17% or 1:5. The odds aren't with you and I wouldn't risk the whole tournament for this draw. As nenkov407also said, never go all-in on as draw.
 
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you should raise on flop than chek fold on turn is big pot and you are not good....
 
Stefano Tomei

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My decision to go all in on the turn was because of his huge fold-equity. At least I thought in this manner. How would it be possible to call on the turn with JT off considering all my possible range, even when it comes to projects? I played the whole day 1 building a tight aggressive image; in this specific hand I think my opponent didn't think too much about my possible hand and made the call quite instant only considering his hand, thinking at level 0.

I guess that in most cases such hands are winning against reg players, but with LAG fishes it doesn't work, in fact I lost it. Maybe that was my mistake.

Thanks however for the commentaries

(I usually don't call with JQs from the SB when there is a open raise from the UTG, but in this case you have to consider that i had a lot of history with all the players at my table, already playing with them for 8/9 hours)
 
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My decision to go all in on the turn was because of his huge fold-equity. At least I thought in this manner. How would it be possible to call on the turn with JT off considering all my possible range, even when it comes to projects? I played the whole day 1 building a tight aggressive image; in this specific hand I think my opponent didn't think too much about my possible hand and made the call quite instant only considering his hand, thinking at level 0.

I guess that in most cases such hands are winning against reg players, but with LAG fishes it doesn't work, in fact I lost it. Maybe that was my mistake.

Thanks however for the commentaries

(I usually don't call with JQs from the SB when there is a open raise from the UTG, but in this case you have to consider that i had a lot of history with all the players at my table, already playing with them for 8/9 hours)


I play poker since I was little kid and this is something I learned about 5 months ago. Never trust your opponent. Never expect him to do what it is reasonable. Watch the cards on the flop. Expect him to have everything possible. He might has represented him as a loose player bit he could switched to tight aggressive or even worse - tight passive, where he get the nuts and let you dig your own grave.
 
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with just a straight draw and 2 overs that late in tourney i would have folded on second bet. pot odds were not in your favor
 
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Should have folded turn.
If you had position 3-bet preflop would be an option.
 
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I think you could've check raised the flop. If he shoves, you have a decisions to make. I wouldn't call all of my stack with a open-ended but open ended and two over cards it is pretty close. If it is not you tournament life, sure.
By just calling the 1/3 pot bet you are telling him that I AM BEHIND! as clear as that. You should do that when you are trapping when playing with aggressive players.
By check raise you usually get your turn card free too.
 
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(I usually don't call with JQs from the SB when there is a open raise from the UTG, but in this case you have to consider that i had a lot of history with all the players at my table, already playing with them for 8/9 hours)

Calling with QJs on BB is totally fine against a LAG, but you should not get married to your hand. Play small pot and win 1 or 2 small pots and he will back off. Get sticky against an aggressive opponent but don't make pot big. Calling station is enemy of a LAG. ;)
 
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I think you just have to play 40bb with more caution.
You said he is a loose-aggressive player, so who's having this flop?
Another thing to point out is to almost never bluff without some kind of equity, which in this case is way to low for you to bluff.
There's no scary cards for him, your shove is polarized between 2 overcards or draws
 
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what would i have done

I would have folded after the turn. :D
 
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I think shoving the turn doesn't represent too much, since most strong hand would have probably raised the flop since there were so many draws. The player is only losing to better tens, and possibly T9, neither of which are in your range calling from the SB.
 
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Out of position , you make a call to the opening of UTG LAG and the call of UTG+1 ??? , with QJs , I don't know if I would make the call , probably no , don't know really on that point if it could be profitable in the long run such a situation .
Postflop the way I would play a drawing hand sometimes , if I didn't have the odds , in position or oop short stacked , risky , aggressively on the flop ,HU , to take the pot odds and some fold equity , although here the UTG is loose aggressive , so you can't expect much Ffold equity from him , and oop you're big stacked ...

So the way you played it maybe it was the better until the turn , fold on the turn , there's nothing to achieve , your hand equity is decreased , he is LAG and the betting pattern wasn't good so checkraise won't have any fold equity , so fold after his raise . No reason to risk your tournament life for a hand like this .
 
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I would have given 3 bets on the flop
 
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