How to play KK with a tough board

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I just folded my Kings in this spot, and I wanted to know if any of you wouldve played it differently (postflop, flop or turn). I think that the river is an obvious fold IMO, but I don't know. If have no info on them (4th hand)

Here's the hand:

pokerstars - $5+$5+$0.50|20/40 NL - Holdem - 9 players[/b]


SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop:[/b] (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: K:diamond:

MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 9 BB

Flop: 25.5 BB, 2 players)5:club: J:heart: 9:club:
MP checks, Hero bets 12.75 BB, MP calls 12.75 BB

Turn: (51 BB, 2 players) A:club:
MP checks, Hero checks

River:(51 BB, 2 players) J:club:
MP bets 47.25 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 51 BB
 
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What is your stack size starting the hand? Not sure it makes a difference but a tough fold but likely losing and still have a stack to play at that blind level.

I missed the 4th club so yeah easy fold.
 
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I would have bet on the turn, I could be wrong. Otherwise, yes fold facing a flush board.
 
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Did you keep going and find out what kind of player this was?
 
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I think you made a good decision, in that situation your two kings were not at all good ... A well-played hand :rolleyes:
 
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I would play the same, or one more may be pre-flop all-in from me.
 
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With 4 clubs and two jacks on board yes I would of folded
 
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When you play against nits even two pair can be folded because they are very tough players ... they dont enter pot with marginal hands and even when they have a high pair they don t call so you played good on my opinion
 
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The things I might have done differently:
Flop: 25.5 BB, 2 players)5 J 9
MP checks, Hero bets 12.75 BB, MP calls 12.75 BB
Here, I would usually bet higher on that flop, pot or maybe a little less. Here, you have the best hand most of the time, unless MP played a (J9). I'd want to charge a draw (if he has one) the max to draw.
Turn: (51 BB, 2 players) A
MP checks, Hero checks
I wouldn't check that turn. Your opponent still has a lot of (JT+) in his range, and it's not certain he hit that ace, or that the Ac completed a flush draw. He doesn't know you don't have an ace yourself, after all, you 3! bet him pre, and lots of aces would do that against a MP open. Now that the ace of trump is on board, he doesn't have it, making flush draws less likely as all the (Ac,Xc) are eliminated from his pre-flop opening range. Lead out for, lest's say 2/3rds pot, and see what he does.

As played, there isn't much you're still beating on the river. He could have made an accidental flush with the runner-runner, and pairing the top card on board is never a good thing as he could easily have been playing jacks.
 
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The only suggestion I can really make would be to bet larger on the flop maybe 66%+ of the pot. It’s a strong bet and you can either entice a fold or know where you stand. Either way I still think you made the right fold.
 
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Stack Size? Position?
I would make sure whoever goes in the hand pays at least 4-5 times the BB pre-flop.
With that flop, I would make sure nobody see the turn.
At that point I lose to 4 hand only: AA, set of each on the flop.
 
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I'll tell you my stupid option. When you saw the flush draw, you should to go all-in. Of course, if he has an AQc, then you most likely would have come to an end. However, other hands here could well throw. Say, hands, like, pocket 1010 or AQo or AKo. Yes, that would not be the best solution. I agree. But, as it seems to me, on another here not to win.:icon_shak
 
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Stack Size? Position?
I would make sure whoever goes in the hand pays at least 4-5 times the BB pre-flop.
With that flop, I would make sure nobody see the turn.
At that point I lose to 4 hand only: AA, set of each on the flop.

He did 4x the guys raise pre-flop.


So are you open shoving the flop here? Here the bet is half the pot which seems fine to me maybe a little more but the real spot is on the turn. Not sure about checking but once you check turn definitely have to shut down on river unless its non club K. Maybe check/call a non club unless its a shove.
 
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I woud have gone all in after flop to thake him out a draw. In my opinion he had QK., KJ, A,j.
 
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I think you played it fine. I would check the turn for pot control, with the intenion of calling a (reasonable) river bet. The river is the worst card in the deck, and with his big bet I think you have to fold.

I asume you have about the same stack as villain in this hand, but you should include stacks you start the hand with when posting hh.
 
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I would be around 19bb on the flop.

Rest of hand looks good though.
 
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No idea why my comment was deleted...

Anyway- I think you played well. You could bet a bit larger on the flop because if they pay 40% they would pay 60% as well.
Turn - you can't bet there. WP.
River - fold.
 
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I think you played it well, maybe bet a little bigger on the flop, but the rest of the hand looks fine to me.
 
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I wouldn't check that turn. Your opponent still has a lot of (JT+) in his range, and it's not certain he hit that ace, or that the Ac completed a flush draw. He doesn't know you don't have an ace yourself, after all, you 3! bet him pre, and lots of aces would do that against a MP open. Now that the ace of trump is on board, he doesn't have it, making flush draws less likely as all the (Ac,Xc) are eliminated from his pre-flop opening range. Lead out for, lest's say 2/3rds pot, and see what he does.

IMO it is a clear check on the turn. Hero 3-bet pre flop, and MP called out of position, so an AK/AQ is most likely part of his range there. Also, considering hero doesn't have a club, it is likely opponent has A with a club (like Kc or Qc). Once a jack hit the river, all the possible flush draws got there, lot of boats as well, clear fold :)

Would also say, you should have bet slightly more on the flop, something like 70% flop or so, but it probably wouldn't change much in this particular case, but may get you more money in similar situations in the future.
 
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IMO you played well.Protect/value bet on the flop,on turn worst card in the deck shoves up completing flush drews and also is A so pot control check is fine.River is even the worse card for our KK its a J of clubs and our opponent shoves...With KK without club on that board and the way hand has played we could only beat stone cold bluff so ofcourse we fold.If he had QQ,TT even some A he would probbly go for showdown value so yeah fold is fine and you played hand corectly.
 
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Too many hands beat you to call the river bet there. Any ace, any jack, 55, 99, and any club. I told there as well.
 
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Yes, I agree that theres too many possible outs for opponent. Check/fold post flop.
 
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Yes of course it was necessary to bet on the flop more. This is certain, because you will be almost better than all 2 cards of his range. And I would probably bet the turn as well.
 
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