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http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/19554196_59390814A3

Would appreciate your thoughts!

I have my own opinions which I'll divulge once you give me yours.. :)

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A little background info on the hand...

It's a pokerstars PSO tournament with between 9,000 - 10,000 entrants.

At this stage I think we're down to the last 3 tables, something like that... I'm pretty sure it was last 3 tables, but definitely not more than 5.
 
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i think it was a good fold when you have to go all in
 
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Ok, so I made a thread about this earlier but it seems to have been deleted. Presumably because it had a link to a hand replay, didn't realise that was against the rules, so my apologies for that and I'll type out the hand instead... Half expected if the topic was moved or deleted to receive a pm, especially if it was breaking the rules in some way. I will read the forum rules again to identify how I fouled up.

This happens late in a tournament with about 9k entrants and there are only around 3 tables left.

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Blinds are 3.5k and 7k. My stack is 232k and his is 241k.

I'm BB and he's UTG +2

My hole cards are Q(d), Q(s)

UTG folds

UTG +1 folds

He raises to 14k

Action folds around to me and I raise it up to 42k (3 x his)

He snap calls and the flop comes 3(s) J(d) 10(s)

I raise 46.9k (1/2 pot)

He snap shoves for 199.3k.

I fold.

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I'd be interested in any thoughts on this... What do you think he might have been playing? Do you think it was outrageous/semi bluff?
 
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FOLD

according to me you made a right decision:smile:
 
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Thanks for the move, sorry about posting in the wrong place and then posting twice! >_<

Thought it was deleted, haha. Apologies!

Any thoughts on what he might of been playing?

Instinct says he was playing AA, KK, or JJ would also make sense. I doubt he'd snap call my preflop bet with 10,10 or 3,3, but I guess it's possible and hitting a set would add up with his re-raising.

Hadn't thought about this before but hopefully it wasn't the other two queens, haha!

The guy claimed in chat after the hand that he had A10, but I didn't believe him then and four days later I still don't.

The good news is I went on to make the final table and finished 4th in the end. Other guy didn't make the FT so maybe he bluffed one too many times, LOL.
 
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right decision..good fold from my side
 
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in that tournament you don't find to many (good) players playing an AA or KK slow...if you had an instinct that i has AA or KK or JJ..i should'n bet on the flop.. he can had any draw in that spot..to flush or straight.in my opinion is a bad play from you mate.but maybe you are a Very tight player
 
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Well did u had any reads on that player?
Probably he hit his set on the flop.I would call if i knew that he's calling that big raise with broadway cards preflop, but with no reads on him i'll fold on that flop, u still had a good amount of chips left.
If he had AA, KK, QQ, JJ or AKs he would probably bet more preflop, so i would put him on pocket 10's.
Just my opinion.
 
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It was flush draw or bluf. 100%
With AA or KK it would be allin on preflop
 
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Wow... Bad fold in my opinion.... youre going to see flush draws KJ QJ AJ. Some could go ahead and shove Tx or AK AQ. the hands that beat you are slim and the amount of combinations of those hands compared to what youre beating in this spot is slim too. I personally don't know how you find a fold.
 
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Well, all in all I went on to make the final table (which that player didn't) and finished 4th, so, whether or not it was a bad fold is somewhat irrelevant.

Was just interested in people's opinions.

Even if I wasn't already behind if he had a flush and straight draw with KJ, AJ, Q10, A10 or anything like that it's highly likely he would have made a flush, straight, two pair or trips on the turn or river and I would have been gone.

Onwards and upwards!
 
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Most possibly villain attempt to semi-bluff on the flop there with some sort of draw.
 
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It is important to evaluate in first place which type of player at the table before.
 
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Instinct tells me that it was a bad fold there, if this player had AA or KK he would have 4 bet you preflop, there is no reason to wait to the flop and then push. I think he had AJ or A10 there, Your flop bet was just small enough it looked like you could have AK or AQ there and just missed a lot, But that same hand could have come from him especially if he was suited and had a draw. Im thinking AQ or AK w the flush draw or AJ honestly. Im pretty decent about telling what they have, so thats what i have to go with from my intuition, but I didnt know any of his tendencies, but i REALLY doubt he had JJ, KK or AA there. I dunno if you would have ended up winning or losing there, but i doubt i could have made that lay down w so many chips already in the middle. I will say this tho, if you are going to get away from your hand there, you should check it to him and see what he does, it might give you a better read, but u could also let him catch the AorK if hes on something like that. I doubt im getting off the hand, but that would be the correct bet if you want to fold right there. I would have to call, Im betting he had AJ or A10. I don't think he was lying very much. And im guessing this buy-in wasn't over 5$.
 
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Naaaaah i dont like the fold, i guess u put him on set of jacks, which he could possible have, but i seriously doubt it, possible draw is what i think he had, he did not have AA or KK he would have go allin preflop but he flated, so u can exclude those hands, i think he had AK and when he saw the JT on the board he pushed and u fold but u were waaaaaaay ahead of him, i would have shoved right there after he reraised me, but thats me :D so no i dont think u did the right thing there :D
 
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Tricky spot that is really player dependent... Some will make that type of play with jj, qq, kk, aa... others with do that with aj, aq, ak... If you had a feeling they had you beat, you have to go with that and preserve your stack and chance to win. I made a very similar almost identical play in a live event... I bombed pre from the bb very similar got called then continued with a lead on the 10 high flop to get jammed on. Took a look at the player said your AA is good and folded. He smiled and rolled over AA... Gotta trust the instincts. Nice hand and good luck!
 
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Sometimes I had to fold my JJ or maybe AK AQ according to the situation or stacks. I often give up my card when many players do all in
 
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big raeise preflop and all in post flop
 
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I also would fold in this situation knowing he could have AA or KK , and could also have JJ , I ​​think this just fold
 
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Ok, so I made a thread about this earlier but it seems to have been deleted. Presumably because it had a link to a hand replay, didn't realise that was against the rules, so my apologies for that and I'll type out the hand instead... Half expected if the topic was moved or deleted to receive a pm, especially if it was breaking the rules in some way. I will read the forum rules again to identify how I fouled up.

This happens late in a tournament with about 9k entrants and there are only around 3 tables left.

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Blinds are 3.5k and 7k. My stack is 232k and his is 241k.

I'm BB and he's UTG +2

My hole cards are Q(d), Q(s)

UTG folds

UTG +1 folds

He raises to 14k

Action folds around to me and I raise it up to 42k (3 x his)

He snap calls and the flop comes 3(s) J(d) 10(s)

I raise 46.9k (1/2 pot)

He snap shoves for 199.3k.

I fold.

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I'd be interested in any thoughts on this... What do you think he might have been playing? Do you think it was outrageous/semi bluff?

STUPID fold !!!

If he had AA, KK, QQ (unlikely, but happens), JJ or AK - he would re-pop to your 3-bet pre-flop.

I exclude J-10, J-3 and 3-3, because he does not have pot odds to call your 3-bet, given the effective stack !

The only "trappy" hand he may have, is 10-10.

But with 10-10, it would be STUPID to raise with a well hidden set. He would call, in order to gain more future bets from you.

So, I put him on A-J, K-J or A-10.

Given the "action flops" you can see in all poker rooms, it is a "tradition" to arrange a flop with top-pair-top-kicker against overpair - this increases action and earns more rake for the casino at cash tables, and it shortens the tournaments (and causes players to register for the next ones)...

Your fold with an overpair on this flop was insane.
 
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the thing i didnt like was the fact you put in just under half your chips and if you was going to fold you shouldnt have bet in

that being said you left yourself on 20bb so its not the end of ur tourney

if he had A 10s and was drawing it was a 50 : 50 chance
 
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He even has a blocker to the flush draw ! So, if the opponent has A-x spades - he has 8 outs only for flush and 3 outs on the overcard - 11 outs.

However, pushing allin just on a draw (even if it is the nut draw) is a style of coinflippers - not of the solid players who know about pot odds and calculating outs...
 
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fold if you play it you will lose only the money that has already made to the bank . and if you go the all John then you can lose all the money . so do not be afraid to lose bad cards
 
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maybe it was a good fold,If I were in your place I would have fold to!
 
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It depends what information You have about Your oponent, but I think that was good decision. He probably have AA or KK :)
 
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