$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Turning AKo into bluff in BB

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 300/600 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 2,840 (VPIP: 27.43, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, hands: 113)
MP+1: 5,035 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 23,905 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BTN: 29,676 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 7,675 (VPIP: 15.31, PFR: 7.78, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 100)
Hero (BB): 26,626
UTG: 32,771 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG+1: 34,356 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 2.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)

8 players post ante of 75, SB posts SB 300, Hero posts BB 600

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,500) Hero has Kd Ac
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 1,200, fold, Hero calls 600

I limp here for decepcion with the understanding that the button raises with almost any two here.

Flop : (3,300, 2 players) 7c 6d 8d
Hero checks, BTN bets 1,650, Hero calls 1,650

Not a great flop but decide to call as this flop could fit my defending range easily, I also feel I can see many turns that give me a opportunity to bluff.

Turn : (6,600, 2 players) 4h
Hero checks, BTN checks

once he checks back I plan to bluff all rivers that don't include a A or K, I feel the 5 fits my range more than it falls into their range.

River : (6,600, 2 players) 3c
Hero bets 4,400, BTN calls 4,400

I follow through on my plan and put a value bluff out there feeling he could fold something like X7d or 89. is this a fair spot or is the better plan a ckeck thinking my AK has some value?

BTN shows 3h 3s (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 54%, Flop 67%, Turn 82%)

Hero shows Kd Ac (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 46%, Flop 33%, Turn 18%)

BTN wins 15,400
 
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That's why you don't slowplay AK. In the end, It's only A high, so pre-raise and cbet should have worked. Trapping him should be done, imo, if u want to trap, only if you got QQ+(slippery still) or flop really hard.
 
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I limp here for decepcion with the understanding that the button raises with almost any two here.

Knowing that he raises with any two here, why you decide to let him see a flop that you're going to miss 2/3 or the time, and be left OOP with A high and no idea if he has hit the board or not because his range is so wide.

Just 3bet him pre.
 
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you don't need deception in freerolls lol. Just play your good cards strongly and you will win $$$ 3bet preflop and look to get it in on the flop/turn.
 
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I am more questioning the post flop line. I feel I have to flat sometimes when closing action with AK and I do 3bet this hand probably 80+% of the time. What about post flop action?
 
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I am more questioning the post flop line. I feel I have to flat sometimes when closing action with AK and I do 3bet this hand probably 80+% of the time. What about post flop action?

By not 3betting pre, you let in flop many low suited and unsuited connectors, and this flop is VERY dangerous if you let someone with those connectors in. So basically, if you flatted pre, imo, you should even lean towards folding against any agression.
 
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That's why you don't slowplay AK. In the end, It's only A high, so pre-raise and cbet should have worked. Trapping him should be done, imo, if u want to trap, only if you got QQ+(slippery still) or flop really hard.

[/B][/I] Knowing that he raises with any two here, why you decide to let him see a flop that you're going to miss 2/3 or the time, and be left OOP with A high and no idea if he has hit the board or not because his range is so wide.

Just 3bet him pre.

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I would have never called from the big bling with AKo from a button raise... Pretty much always a 3bet. Most of the time you'll take it down right there pre flop with a 3-bet. I really, really don't like playing AK out of position as it is... so the 3-bet pre flop gives us a chance to end the hand right there. If we get called, we'll reassess on the flop but it's already likely we still have the best hand, and if we don't a C-Bet should take it down (if we don't connect) a majority of the time.
 
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I am more questioning the post flop line. I feel I have to flat sometimes when closing action with AK and I do 3bet this hand probably 80+% of the time. What about post flop action?

Flatting with AK out of position is often a bad idea.

I don't mind it as much if we're in position. But out of position, no way - I would never flat call.

If we're in position and do flat call, and don't connect with the flop, then I fold to aggression most of the time unless I have some sort of gutshot or backdoor draw (if that's the case, I'll call one bet and see a turn. If I don't improve, then I'm check folding on the turn).... but again, I don't like playing the hand this way to begin with....
 
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Slowplay AK in the big blind a bad game, not getting into the flop we only A high, bett raise x3-5 depending on the number of players and have control over the size of the pot
 
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Okay, I agree, the best way to play this hand is to 3Bet preflop, but I didn't want to get into a pissing match with a person I did not have a great read on, so I flatted. Now this is where I am questioning my play, flatting the flop is fine, I think with the plan to fold a miss+bet on the turn when checked I felt I could Rep a straight on the river as I have a good number of 5s in my defend range and knowing that he could only call and never raise without a 5 of his own. I feel I play all of my hands with a 5 this way
 
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you are pretty much just levelling yourself here. This is a freeroll and he is a freeroll player, what makes you think he's got any idea of your possible defending range. he is likely just playing his cards and doesn't really care about what you are doing.

So with all the stuff you mention, it sounds great on paper, makes tons of sense, however you really do need to put it in perspective of the games you are playing in. I think honestly you decided to make this play because you have AK and you didn't want to give it up postflop.. Your play on the flop is ok, but for the most part we're just calling and hoping that he gives up, rather than taking control of the pot with a c/r or a donk bet lead, we really want a good reason to c/c and give up control of the pot size and i can't really see a good reason to do so above. I would almost always go for a c/r or just fold the flop here, the middle move of calling just leads to us hoping for too many things to go our way, like him checking down to the river.

but as mentioned above, the biggest single mistake here was calling preflop, there jsut isn't any reason not to 3bet it here and put the pressure on him postflop to make the big call on the flop.
 
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If another heart came on the turn, then you could bluff, but other check and fold
 
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No way villain folding a set there.In freeroll just raise or shove with AK pre.
 
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Guys in a freeroll aren't going to fold the river given that board.
 
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sadly, in a freeroll the guy might call you down even if you 3bet preflop and c-bet flop/turn. flat calling his raise out of position pre and post flop is just handing chips away. go with AK early, or fold it when you have nothing.
 
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This I think was well played by you from start to finish. You didn't bloat the pot oop, you made a routine call on the flop although I don't rule out a raise, the turn check with a plan for the river was on point and the river was just bad luck for you. You were thinking ahead and following a plan the entire way and that's better than many. Like others said it is a freeroll and even if you had played any different by adding raises and reraises this may have been a player who would see his pp to the river anyway.
 
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