$Freeroll NLHE MTT Turbo Rebuy: What would you do?

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The tourney is mid-late only 20 or so players left out of 300 or so. Villian was seen in a few tournies and HM shows his range in the 10 10+
Only change was one hand today that was 87s and he cracked AA with a straight.

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $300/$600 ($60 ante) - 8 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $19,637.00 (33 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): $14,301.00 (24 bb)
MP: $7,661.00 (13 bb)
MP+1: $73,114.00 (122 bb)
CO: $69,823.00 (116 bb)
BU: $9,939.00 (17 bb)
SB: $104,718.00 (175 bb)
BB: $20,779.00 (35 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1,380) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
UTG calls $600, Hero raises to $1,200, 2 players fold, CO calls $1,200, 1 fold, SB calls $900, BB calls $600, UTG calls $600

Flop: ($6,480) A 3 T (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($6,480) 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $6,480, Hero raises to $13,041 (all-in), 3 players fold, UTG calls $6,561
 
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Well, I'd do more or less the same.

I'd not necessarily minraise preflop in the presense of a limper but it's ok since your goal is to get into the pot as many chips as possible, and the limper will have to either call or 3-bet.

Checking on the flop is fine in order not to scare off the opponents.

Making all-in 3-bet on the turn seems like the only possible course of action. The only danger to your top set is a straight which implies villain having 45. Given the info you had on the villain, his position and stack size it should be unlikely.
 
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Yes he had 45s. I didn't see the straight even after the chips moved. Had to replay the hand. I figured he had 10 10 or even kk. Think I was blinded by the AAA.
 
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Yes he had 45s. I didn't see the straight even after the chips moved. Had to replay the hand. I figured he had 10 10 or even kk. Think I was blinded by the AAA.


Even if you didn't see the possibility of a straight it doesn't mean you acted wrong. Your hand was second best to nuts, and villain could've had a whole lot of different hands: lower sets, 2 pairs with ace (though unlikely as you had 2 blockers), pairs (with raise on the turn after nobody bet on the flop), bluffs (though in multi-way pot it's less likely). So I don't see how you could've given up your top set even if you had seen that straight was a possibility.

Perhaps you can consider making a standard raise preflop (2-3bb + 1bb for each limper) in similar situations in the future but in my experience of freerolls that doesn't help much against limpers - they call anyway.
 
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The tourney is mid-late only 20 or so players left out of 300 or so. Villian was seen in a few tournies and HM shows his range in the 10 10+
Only change was one hand today that was 87s and he cracked AA with a straight.

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $300/$600 ($60 ante) - 8 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $19,637.00 (33 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): $14,301.00 (24 bb)
MP: $7,661.00 (13 bb)
MP+1: $73,114.00 (122 bb)
CO: $69,823.00 (116 bb)
BU: $9,939.00 (17 bb)
SB: $104,718.00 (175 bb)
BB: $20,779.00 (35 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1,380) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
UTG calls $600, Hero raises to $1,200, 2 players fold, CO calls $1,200, 1 fold, SB calls $900, BB calls $600, UTG calls $600

Flop: ($6,480) A 3 T (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($6,480) 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $6,480, Hero raises to $13,041 (all-in), 3 players fold, UTG calls $6,561
Well ,I'd bet after the flop and wouldn't let the four opponents see one free card,it's dangerous.
 
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Well ,I'd bet after the flop and wouldn't let the four opponents see one free card,it's dangerous.


I'm not sure if a bet for protection is the best course of action here. Basically what we want is to slowplay our opponents but this such a board it'd be almost impossible for the opponents to call a bet on the flop.

On the flop the top set is a nuts which can be endangered only later with straights, full houses or quads.

But full house would mean that someone has either T3 (which is unlikely) or AT or A3 (but with hero having AA and another A on the board that's unlikely too). If nobody has 2 pairs the only reason for villains to call such bet would be a lower set - but with such a hand one could expect a bet on the flop (which the hero could've reraised or called).

As for straights someone has to have a hand like 25, 24, 45 (in case of a gutshot) - the set of such hands is small and rather unlikely. Although sometimes opponents can have such hands (45 at least) imo it shouldn't be a reason to change the game plan.
 
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Well ,I'd bet after the flop and wouldn't let the four opponents see one free card,it's dangerous.


This. Also probably go more than min raise initially. But post flop you are massively ahead of everyone’s range and the pot is 50% of your stack. I don’t think you want to get too cute here with so many limpers involved. At the very least get a value bet in, but you are unlikely to get called by much.
 
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When UTG limp and hero makes min-raise preflop with AA (UTG+1, terrible), hero deserves to lose (there is 3 guys who is sitting with over 100BB stack at the moment). imo

I would go at least 5BB+ raise preflop. I would make preflop at least t3k to go.
 
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That's what you get when you're trying to trap, when half of the table is in the hand.
I would raise more pre, bet on flop if it's still multiway pot.
 
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you need to be raising to at least 3000 here preflop, you're asking for trouble just min raising over a limper.... never do that again, ever!

if you still get 3+ callers pre then jam the flop and let them make calling mistakes with weak aces/broadway draws as opposed to you letting them get there for free and then paying them off.

you were your own worst enemy in this hand, be more aggressive!
 
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Slow playing aces in these situations hurts...play it aggressively even if you get outdrawed...
 
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24bb deep you can take more chances to get action with AA preflop - min-raise probably not ideal but I understand it.

Flop is poker malpractice - to check and give infinite drawing odds to 4 players who can easily be drawing to straights is clearly wrong.

Bet strong on flop and shove turn... Had the flop been ATT then fine, check.

As played you are never folding on that turn card with the 2nd nuts and a short stack, but this was a self-induced bad beat.

Better luck next time!
 
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Umm wow... didnt know I min raised that. Thought I had 3x that one. I will have to pay better attention to the raise amount.
 
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Umm wow... didnt know I min raised that. Thought I had 3x that one. I will have to pay better attention to the raise amount.

iirc the minimum you should raise pre would be 3BB plus one per person already in the hand, so in this case you'd do 4bb and likely 45 (even suited) would fold. if not, surely some of your limpers would fold and you'd have less risk out there. not much you can do after the flop hits your trips, i don't think anyone would assume a straight in the range on this one
 
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Sorry to say, but it's a good example, how you shouldn't play Aces for me.

I think, doing min-raise pre-flop with Aces is already a big mistake. There are many additional factors in a hand, why we should never ever making min-raise here:

  1. Our position is kinda suck, 2nd worst at the table.
  2. We have a limper on UTG, who shown himself as a total nit before with 10 10 stats. So if he is in a hand, he probably has something and we want maximize value of our aces already at pref-lop. Because most likely he hits nothing at flop and run away, like most of the nits do.
  3. Look #1, position in poker is essential, that's why we want to raise bigger to isolate those limper on UTG and at best to have HU post-flop. We have 6 players behind us to act and half of them with a really deep stacks 6+ times more chips than we have. We don't want to give them chance to hit monster on flop with some funky 67, that's why we should raise big too.
Reasonable raise would be something between x4-x6 BB here. But we decide to make x2 bet, inviting the half of the table to the pot and bringing us to very hard situation, having multi way pot with 4 villains with a bad position in addition. Oh boy, I don't want to be there.
Luckily there comes Ace on the flop, it make us feeling safer with a set. But why you are just checking?! I know set looks great and it's rainbow flop, which good as well, but there are 4 (FOUR!) villains in a hand and AT and A3 on a flop gives some of them gutshot straight draws. As their ranges are extremely wide, because of that min-raise mistake on pre-flop. We have to defend our set immediately, also to collect some more value from those who stay in a hand. And I will be amazed if everyone folds of so many villains. Especially considering that fact SB and CO do have a lot of chips in stack.
On the Turn comes pretty bad card 2 of diamonds. Which accomplish straight for 45. Now we can be in trouble with our set of Aces. But now again, this explains why you shouldn't do such slow play here. If you have raised bigger on flop you would probably kick out of hand such trash hands like 45, if you would bet of flop, likely those nit would fold his gutshot too. But as action developed till turn and that he bets pot against 4 players, it looks more like he defends his straight against flush draws. I could probably find fold here, but yeah... tough spot to fold with a set indeed. But then again even if original raiser from UTG has something else, than 45. Maybe KK, QQ, JJ, 23s for example, which our set beats, still think about 3 other guys behind you, who can have straight already. I mean if that guy, who raises pot wasn't a nit and/or it was a HU situation, then it's simple stack-in on the turn.
 
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I thought I did a 3x raise when it was mentioned I went and had a look and realized I didn't. Yes I usually do 3x +limpers raising.
 
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I thought I did a 3x raise when it was mentioned I went and had a look and realized I didn't. Yes I usually do 3x +limpers raising.


It's okay, we all make mistakes, however i would be more conscious in the future at the post-flop, if you realized you made mistake on a earlier street. It's better tighten up a little, even with a strong hand like those one.
 
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