$Freeroll NLHE MTT Turbo Rebuy: I folded and shouldn't have (maybe?)

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Hi everyone. Here's a hand I would like to analyse with you:

Dealt to Supmargy [As Kh]
derebator: folds
Supmargy: raises 750 to 1000
fiama1992000: calls 390 and is all-in
prometeus77: folds
KingZeph: folds
mvinne: folds
smaragdos: folds
caban148888: calls 875
DON $moke: folds

*** FLOP *** [Ks Ac Qh]
caban148888: bets 250
Supmargy: raises 500 to 750
caban148888: calls 500

*** TURN *** [Ks Ac Qh] [Jh]
caban148888: bets 1000
Supmargy: calls 1000

*** RIVER *** [Ks Ac Qh Jh] [9c]
caban148888: bets 5000
Supmargy: folds
Uncalled bet (5000) returned to caban148888

*** SHOW DOWN ***
caban148888: shows [Jd Qc] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
caban148888 collected 4720 from side pot
fiama1992000: shows [7c 7s] (a pair of Sevens)
caban148888 collected 1645 from main pot
fiama1992000 finished the tournament in 133rd place


So first off. I'd like to mention I'm new, and I can't think of hand ranges quickly while considering all the call/raise/reraise that happened before. So that's definitely something I should work on.

Now here's my reasoning for folding:
I was raising and my opponent was calling (the first 250 bet I neglected as prodding). Suddenly the turn comes and he starts playing really aggressively, so I put him on JJ or TT, either having a set or a straight.
On the river he basically goes allin and I folded my AAKKQ.

So the river comes and turns out he had QQJJA. That sucks...

Did I misplay here? What could I have done differently?

Any feedback is appreciated!
 
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I think you played it well. After the hand, you can think that was a mistake, but sometimes you just need to fold it.
 
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Well you were playing a freeroll this kind of player's level is very comum, they just play with they hands, he saw two pair and thought: Yep I have the nuts, probable he did not even considered that only a T would make the nuts hand.

thinking in terms of range he was on the SB and called a raise from the UTG+1 or +2 that almost always indicates that you had a good hand such as AK, well he probable did not think about it for sure but a regular player could have a T on his hand by that I do not think your fold was a bad decision.

my advice for you is make some notes of the players and try to figure out by what I know until know who is a good player and who is a beginning ( its not so hard to figure out it). this guys for exemplo deserves a very nice note because a good player could have done this for bluff but not with another all in that would expose his bluff anyway.

well played i would say.
 
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AK the ficklest hand in poker

please post chip stacks as that can have an integral part of the decision making process for analysis, also there is a third player and they are only in the very end showing they are busted out. That other person is also necessary for proper analysis. oh and where is the button, all this is important.

However, with two other people in and a gut shot on the board,means any 10 beats you, 9/10, J/10, Q/10, k/10, A/10 as well as any pocket pair of Q's, J's , 10's or 9's. Those are all hands in playable ranges of certain positions and I'm not even mentioning all the flush draws playable on the HJ, CO, B, SB, BB.

I would list Pocket A's and K's but since Hero had one of each of those in hand and one more each on board the likelihood of somebody having those as a pocket pair are...shall we say almost astronomical.

Play on SubMargy :)

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GiGiCat said:
please post chip stacks as that can have an integral part of the decision making process for analysis,
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I was at 10k chips and so was he. I was on the button, and the bb (3rd player) went allin with 700 chips.

Besides all of that, I've reflected further on the hand, and this is what I've been thinking:

My play: I could have probably bet more on the flop. There's a wet board, and I want to cash asap with my 2 pair.
His range: I forgot to to think about him having AT(s). This would be a hand that make all of his bets logical. Took me an hour to think of it.

So the hands he'd play with would be:
- AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ (but i feel like he would have raised more before the flop, so I kinda ruled that out).
- ATs, JJ, TT: would make sense for him to play as he did.
- JTs: calling me preflop would be debatable, since he'd be out of position, and it wouldn't make sense he'd be a LOT more agressive on the turn compared to the flop.
- KTs, QTs, T9s: risky flop call. very slim chance of bd flush draw, 19%chance to hit a J by the river for the straight. Slim enough to fold

So I feel like most of these hands would ahve been exposed if I had raised a bit more on the flop.

Any thoughts, suggestions? What do you think about raising more on the flop?
 
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I'm Guessing Blinds 150/300 with 10 Anti, I arrived at this because, it was stated that player was all in with 700 chips, and when he called your initial raise that put him all in and he only had to put in 390 chips?

was it a dead SB? Is the order of people correct according to position at table?

derebator: folds
Supmargy: raises 750 to 1000 Button
fiama1992000: calls 390 and is all-in BB
prometeus77: folds
KingZeph: folds
mvinne: folds
smaragdos: folds
caban148888: calls 875
DON $moke: folds

I am a live player so my experience with online is limited as I live in Florida and our state legislature hasn't caught up with the times yet. So I have to play on US facing sites, I play on Americas Card Room. With that said here's what I think:

I'be noticed that online poker has more Newbies/weekend warriors playing that don't care to improve themselves like we are. If you don't have a poker program to help you see where leaks are please get one, and get one with a HUD and learn how to use it, because the good online player have one and do know how to. This gives them a MAJOR advantage.

I agree with your comments as it was early on in the tournament, if it were later in the tournament it would be different, since both Hero and Villain had 33.34 BB (which is good in online), however, either way I've experienced people playing worse hands than the ones in both the original post and comments early in online games. Once deep into a tournament those people are usually weeded out.

Regards,
GiGiCat:)
 
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GiGiCat said:
I'm Guessing Blinds 150/300 with 10 Anti, I arrived at this because, it was stated that player was all in with 700 chips, and when he called your initial raise that put him all in and he only had to put in 390 chips?

was it a dead SB? Is the order of people correct according to position at table?

derebator: folds
Supmargy: raises 750 to 1000 Button
fiama1992000: calls 390 and is all-in BB
prometeus77: folds
KingZeph: folds
mvinne: folds
smaragdos: folds
caban148888: calls 875
DON $moke: folds

I am a live player so my experience with online is limited as I live in Florida and our state legislature hasn't caught up with the times yet. So I have to play on US facing sites, I play on Americas Card Room. With that said here's what I think:

I'be noticed that online poker has more Newbies/weekend warriors playing that don't care to improve themselves like we are. If you don't have a poker program to help you see where leaks are please get one, and get one with a HUD and learn how to use it, because the good online player have one and do know how to. This gives them a MAJOR advantage.

I agree with your comments as it was early on in the tournament, if it were later in the tournament it would be different, since both Hero and Villain had 33.34 BB (which is good in online), however, either way I've experienced people playing worse hands than the ones in both the original post and comments early in online games. Once deep into a tournament those people are usually weeded out.

Regards,
GiGiCat:)
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Hey Gigicat!

Thanks for your feedback. from what I remember, your assumption about the blinds is correct.

Which program with a HUD would you recommend? I have pokertracker 4 trial version installed but it'll only last for another week. And I'm still new and learning so I don't want to spend money on it (yet).

In the end this situation sucked. Only because someone was allin was I able to see the cards he had. This made me tilt a little bit and I was out soon after (don't remember how I busted exactly). Most of the cases you just assume he's got a better hand, fold, and don't see it. So the psychological impact of this hand is small in most cases. This was a psychological bad beat I guess. And a learning school!
 
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I've just started playing online real money poker, as I live in Florida and the quality sites with more people are playable here. Now am Playing on Americas Card Room which is an USA facing offshore site. I to just downloaded the PokerTracker 4 but it's not fully functional till ya buy it. I am not the one to ask about the the tracking program. I have in the short use of PT4 discovered one of my leaks, which is a great thing, but I discovered that by looking at all the hands played during a tournament and seeing where the red numbers in the "chips won" column.

Try starting a Thread on Poker Tracking programs and see what people say that have experience with these programs. I will join in on the conversation.
 
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