$Freeroll NLHE MTT Turbo: Near ITM, I have 2nd Nuts. Is this ever a call?

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I don't know this player as they just sat down at the table (Maybe like 10 hands). So I don't know If I shouldn't be valuing this river? If I value the river, should I just call the min raise? If I should call the min raise, am I not than losing value out of hands like 98? Can we ever find a fold some-how?

***** Hand History for Game 15699438415 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:132823008 Level:17 Blinds-Antes(800/1,600 -160) - Thursday, December 01, 17:28:14 EST 2016
Table TWITCH 1000 Freeroll (132823008) Table #15 (real money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9/9
Seat 7: AkiradL ( 89,596 )
Seat 2: I8PeterPan ( 44,404 )
Seat 4: PokerDaddy1990 ( 83,821 )
Seat 1: SSandor85 ( 101,524 )
Seat 3: Studentka21 ( 65,689 )
Seat 9: Szooguun ( 9,748 )
Seat 8: karma4dollar ( 40,708 )
Seat 6: obscur666 ( 18,154 )
Seat 5: vnuk59 ( 41,781 )
Trny:132823008 Level:17
Blinds-Antes(800/1,600 -160)
SSandor85 posts ante [160]
I8PeterPan posts ante [160]
Studentka21 posts ante [160]
PokerDaddy1990 posts ante [160]
vnuk59 posts ante [160]
obscur666 posts ante [160]
AkiradL posts ante [160]
karma4dollar posts ante [160]
Szooguun posts ante [160]
I8PeterPan posts small blind [800].
Studentka21 posts big blind [1,600].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to I8PeterPan [ 9s Ks ]
PokerDaddy1990 raises [4,000]
vnuk59 folds
obscur666 folds
AkiradL folds
karma4dollar folds
Szooguun calls [4,000]
SSandor85 calls [4,000]
I8PeterPan calls [3,200]
Studentka21 calls [2,400]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 7s, 6h ]
I8PeterPan checks
Studentka21 checks
PokerDaddy1990 checks
Szooguun checks
SSandor85 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
I8PeterPan checks
Studentka21 checks
PokerDaddy1990 checks
Szooguun checks
SSandor85 checks
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
I8PeterPan bets [7,611]
Studentka21 raises [15,222]
PokerDaddy1990 folds
Szooguun is all-In [5,588]
SSandor85 folds
I8PeterPan will be using their time bank for this hand.
I8PeterPan?
 
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Fold pre. K9s is not a hand we want to be playing out of position in a multiway pot and you have just 27bb. Even if you get a Kxx flop, it's still likely you do not have the best hand.

As played this river is a call every time. Villain has 98 or 2pair here the vast majority of the time since he 3bets AK pre and doesn't expect you to flat AK pre ever.

I'd actually be very tempted to jam over this river in a freeroll as I don't see us ever being beat and our opponent is probably not good enough to fold 98 here. His range is also much wider as he flatted from the BB.
 
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Should have folded/3bet preflop K9 is a terrible hand to play oop without the betting lead given your stack size. It gets in trouble more often than not.. Should have stabbed at it on the turn too. As is it is a must raise/jam on the river cannot fold cannot call.
 
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Should have folded/3bet preflop K9 is a terrible hand to play oop without the betting lead given your stack size. It gets in trouble more often than not.. Should have stabbed at it on the turn too. As is it is a must raise/jam on the river cannot fold cannot call.

I'm sorry, If I don't follow here, but are you saying that I should either 3bet K9s preflop (Multi-way from the SB OOP), or are you saying I should just fold preflop?

Also you're 100% correct on river decision, as I don't see how we can "Call this and not be willing to Jam A.I" with the fact that we have a "K blocker"+the fact "No-one actually 3bet pre", this close to ITM, and again you're correct with the fact that this Is never "Just a call", It's a decision for everything or nothing
 
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Personally I would have folded preflop as well on this one. Joe said it best I think as well as everyone check this down to the river in the scenario and I was wondering when someone would have bet before the river. I would even be tempted to take a stab at the flop to be honest as you may have taken the pot there.
 
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I'm sorry, If I don't follow here, but are you saying that I should either 3bet K9s preflop (Multi-way from the SB OOP), or are you saying I should just fold preflop?

Also you're 100% correct on river decision, as I don't see how we can "Call this and not be willing to Jam A.I" with the fact that we have a "K blocker"+the fact "No-one actually 3bet pre", this close to ITM, and again you're correct with the fact that this Is never "Just a call", It's a decision for everything or nothing


What I meant was you should either fold or 3 bet preflop both are good play. I do not believe in calling in that spot.
 
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K9s is not a hand I like to get involved with preflop since when we hit a K it's most likely not good and we can only make the dumb straights.

But now that you're in the hand and to the river I would lean towards calling since the player that shoved 15k is probably raising or shoving AK preflop from the BB with an open and so much money in the pot already.
 
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I think it was a bad idea to get involved in this pot , you should have fold preflop .
On the flop check , on the turn check , on the river as you played it , after the x2 raise , reraise allin , I don't think he could ever have flatted AK till the river , if he has , well , nothing bad with our play .
 
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insta all in after you hit the straight on the river. the only hand that is beating you is ak which is improbable that villains has because in that case villain preflop raise would be at least 3bb or 4bb, also ak is the only hand your losing so i cant see myself folding the 2nd best hand in this spot.
 
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