$Freeroll NLHE MTT Turbo: Flopped trips in a 3-way pot

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Blinds are 75/150 with a 15 ante

UTG (9763)
UTG +1 (10,468)
UTG +3 (10,495)
Hero BTN (5,351) Js8d
BB (2,240)

Preflop
UTG raise to 300, UTG+1 Calls, UTG+3 Calls, Hero Calls, BB calls

Thinking: Obviously this is a very loose call with the J8o but given the pot odds and the fact that the people in freerolls are playing any 2 and are very easy to play against postflop I choose to make a call in position.

Flop (1,710): Jh Jd 6h
UTG continues for 570, UTG+1 folds, UTG+3 calls, Hero calls, BB folds

Thinking: I flop trips which is great for me in this hand. UTG leads out for 570, and he has been very spewy thus far. I did not think he had much of a hand at this point and was on a flush draw or just a pure bluff. UTG+3 flats and I know he has something worth calling and is never floating with air. I probably should have raised at this point in the hand but I decided to flat as UTG is likely to spew off more chips on later streets.

Turn (3,420): Ah
UTG bets again 1/3 pot for 1140, UTG+3 jams, Hero?

Thinking: At this point in the hand I don't think my hand is good, and it feels like a trivial lay down with trips. My 8 kicker is not likely to be good if someone has a jack, and they could also have flushes or boats that beat me. At this point my hand is essentially a bluff catcher that can beat the spew these guys might have. The only problem I had was I knew these guys could be spewing off chips with random hands in this format and trips could be good some percentage of the time. Should I be folding trips here in this freeroll format?
 
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I think your instincts are right here, there's almost 3K in the pot after the flop bet and call. This is a big pickup for your stack and you should be raising and expecting calls from worse... flush draws, pocket pairs don't fold etc. (even shoving to rep a draw doesn't look bad to me).

As played, once the flush card peels off on the turn (people love suited cards!) and it's another bet from the spewer and a shove from the other player, it's probably a fold, but I don't like folding hands in freerolls either. :D

On another note, I'm not sure it is necessary to play this pre-flop on the button, but in position against spewy opponents it's gotta be fine.

Good luck!
 
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Fold preflop. Players in freerolls may be playing wide ranges, but that does not justify flat calling J8o on the button against an UTG raise and 2 callers. You are just asking for trouble by putting yourself in a 4way+ pot with J8o. If you feel these guys are playing such wide ranges and you have been in line, then this should be an easy 3bet preflop.

Fold > 3bet > Flat in this spot.

Flop is standard, turn is an easy fold considering a flush got there and both players are showing aggression.
 
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Fold preflop. Players in freerolls may be playing wide ranges, but that does not justify flat calling J8o on the button against an UTG raise and 2 callers. You are just asking for trouble by putting yourself in a 4way+ pot with J8o. If you feel these guys are playing such wide ranges and you have been in line, then this should be an easy 3bet preflop.

Fold > 3bet > Flat in this spot.

Flop is standard, turn is an easy fold considering a flush got there and both players are showing aggression.

Im confused on why 3betting is better than flatting. You shouldn't expect to get folds often and youre just playing a bloated pot with J8o
 
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Im confused on why 3betting is better than flatting. You shouldn't expect to get folds often and youre just playing a bloated pot with J8o
By flatting, you are going to be playing a 4way+ pot with J8o and no initiative. There are very few flops where you are going to be comfortable and you can't necessarily win the pot without a strong made hand.

If the players are playing such wide ranges, then by 3betting here, you take control of the hand and your range is going to be perceived as very strong. If UTG has JJ+ AK+ he is most certainly going to 4bet shove over you and the other two player's ranges are going to be weak/capped if they flat call. It's likely you take this pot down pre or get to a flop HU/3ways by 3betting, and now you get to play a pot, in position, against very weak ranges when your range is nutted.

Of course if players are never folding anyway, then in order to counter that you should be tightening up your range and playing your strong hands aggressively when you get them. Flat calling a very bad hand like J8o here is the absolute worst way to counter a table like this.
 
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Fold preflop. Players in freerolls may be playing wide ranges, but that does not justify flat calling J8o on the button against an UTG raise and 2 callers. You are just asking for trouble by putting yourself in a 4way+ pot with J8o. If you feel these guys are playing such wide ranges and you have been in line, then this should be an easy 3bet preflop.

Fold > 3bet > Flat in this spot.

Flop is standard, turn is an easy fold considering a flush got there and both players are showing aggression.

I agree, except that it's Fold >>>>>> 3bet > Flat
J8o is just a terrible hand to play out of position multiway regardless of opponents. If the opponents are playing wide ranges they're likely not all folding to the 3bet either anyway so it is likely to get to the flop, usually with diddly.

The way this one played out is a perfect example of why you should just ditch these preflop. Hero essentially flopped the nuts and is still more than ready to fold the turn.
 
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I know from experience that you can't do a squeeze play in freerolls. I also know that no matter what the board is, you can't fold trips. This is an automatic call.
 
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