$Freeroll NLHE MTT Turbo: A/2 suited from button

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blinds 100/200 (20) 150 runners left, 10 pay.

first position (11,000 stack) calls, folds to me at the button (A2 suited, 7,000 stack) i raise to 600, SB folds, BB (7,000 stack)raises to 2,000, first position calls, i re-raise all in, both call me.


i know that's a bad re-raise on my part (i think) but where should i have laid down or what should i have done differently?
 
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if the result matters to you first position had 7/7 and BB had Q/Q and the board ended with rag 2 2 rag Ace for a full house for a nice triple, which is just positive reinforcement for bad play.
 
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UTG calling I wouldn't think twice about due to his stack(55BB's) he can afford to play a little more loose.
The only point in 3 betting when it got to you would be to get the blind to fold, UTG will never fold in this spot.

Once BB raised to 2k, you didn't have enough chips to make either of them fold and your hand is quite weak for a 3 way pot. It is either a call or a fold right there. If you call, you are looking for an ace on the flop or TWO hearts at which point you push your stack, else check/fold the flop.
 
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ANy notes on the BB. Im tempted to jam over his raise. He see UTG limp and says thats weak, he see you raise IP and says that a weak raise and tries to take it down here. Almost tempted to reshove over BB, that is if the UTG limp folds. I disagree about not folding out the BB to a shove. The BB basical has told you to shove or fold and I bet he folds if you shove

BTW You think wrong - when you said - i know that's a bad re-raise on my part (i think) THIS IS A GREAT SPOT and an good sizing on your part. Just casue the BB sees a spot too, dont ever think this is bad.
 
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ANy notes on the BB. Im tempted to jam over his raise. He see UTG limp and says thats weak, he see you raise IP and says that a weak raise and tries to take it down here. Almost tempted to reshove over BB, that is if the UTG limp folds. I disagree about not folding out the BB to a shove. The BB basical has told you to shove or fold and I bet he folds if you shove

BTW You think wrong - when you said - i know that's a bad re-raise on my part (i think) THIS IS A GREAT SPOT and an good sizing on your part. Just casue the BB sees a spot too, dont ever think this is bad.

no notes on anyone. what range would BB think the two of us had at the point where he acts for the first time? and when i reshove over them, what range would they be putting me on?

in the end, i think 77 made a a bad series of plays, his QQ was likely going all in anyway, but i'm just curious about the ranges that everyone would play and think the others had based on what they knew.
 
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no notes on anyone. what range would BB think the two of us had at the point where he acts for the first time? and when i reshove over them, what range would they be putting me on?

in the end, i think 77 made a a bad series of plays, his QQ was likely going all in anyway, but i'm just curious about the ranges that everyone would play and think the others had based on what they knew.

As far as his range, my guess is that is pretty wide here but hes not worried about his cards and thats the what you got to understand here ... The UTG limp (the table sees what you see) You do the right move and iso raise from the BTN,

Now the BB sees this and says Well the BTN is only raising here because he saw the UTG limp and now BB is thinking I can take down this pot right here for a nice amount. He raies to 2k, there is no way you are ever calling this raise and the BB knows this. the BB has every intent here to raise/fold. You elected to fold and he wins some a nice pot for nothing

Now change it up, he raises to 2k and the UTG limp /folds ... leaving action on you. JAM now DONT EVER CALL THIS!!!!!!!! (read that over and over)

Sure sometimes he will call but you got a hand that plays well, High Low Suited Wheel draw.

This is just food for thought to watch for these type spots in game. If BB is like never doing anything at all then suddenly does this, FOLD. But if he folds to your jam you pick up a very sweet pot for nothing. PLAY POKER - AWESOME SPOT if you lose - **** it fire up another but people making the big bucks can exploit spots like this over and over

and NEVER NEVER think this was a bad play on your part as you stated above. Folding to the BB is no big deal either, but you got to find spots to get chips and this looks like an awesome spot

Sorry to be too wordy but Im a bad explainer
 
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As far as his range, my guess is that is pretty wide here but hes not worried about his cards and thats the what you got to understand here ... The UTG limp (the table sees what you see) You do the right move and iso raise from the BTN,

Now the BB sees this and says Well the BTN is only raising here because he saw the UTG limp and now BB is thinking I can take down this pot right here for a nice amount. He raies to 2k, there is no way you are ever calling this raise and the BB knows this. the BB has every intent here to raise/fold. You elected to fold and he wins some a nice pot for nothing

Now change it up, he raises to 2k and the UTG limp /folds ... leaving action on you. JAM now DONT EVER CALL THIS!!!!!!!! (read that over and over)

Sure sometimes he will call but you got a hand that plays well, High Low Suited Wheel draw.

This is just food for thought to watch for these type spots in game. If BB is like never doing anything at all then suddenly does this, FOLD. But if he folds to your jam you pick up a very sweet pot for nothing. PLAY POKER - AWESOME SPOT if you lose - **** it fire up another but people making the big bucks can exploit spots like this over and over

and NEVER NEVER think this was a bad play on your part as you stated above. Folding to the BB is no big deal either, but you got to find spots to get chips and this looks like an awesome spot

Sorry to be too wordy but Im a bad explainer

i asked for the explanation lol...you might have mixed up which position i was but i wanted to know how each person decides anyway so it's perfect. i think you did a great job explaining.

in your opinion (you might have to look back at the original post) what's the worst hand i should call BB's reraise with? i'd have 2k from him and 2k from UTG in front and deciding whether to push or fold with only 5k or so behind? in a freeroll i'd do that with suited connectors probably but in a bigger money tournament i might not have raised, if i flatted i could have gotten the same result on this hand, but not on all obviously
 
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YOU ARE NEVER CALLING HIS RAISE, thats the point here, Youre folding or coming over the top.

You are also doing this for whatever hands you would isolate the utg raiser with. So its hard to give you a range of hands to do this with,. The only hands I would ever call right here are AA KK with intent to get in on the flop or turn.

THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THIS. IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE FLOP CALL WITH THOSE HANDS do you want to see a flop with K7s (no come over the BB here) do you want to see a flop with KK YES So call. Do you want to see a flop with AJ (no come over) 99 (are you really going to flat 99 here NO - COME OVER) . I cant give you a def range but its basically.

Since the guy raised 2000 and if you call this pot now becomes massive and youre going to have to get a lot more chips invloved to win this pot. At 2000 raise not many hands are going to be called (to me really just the BIG 2 AA KK ) anything else is going to be raised over the bB or folded

IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE POT shove WITH THOSE HANDS

BB can be trying to steal this point with 72o thru AA . He doesnt care about his cards this is just a spot to steal the pot.

What Im saying here, this is POKER, its not about his cards, its not about your cards, its about the spot. If BB is loose as hell Im coming over with a lot of hands. If hes tight as hell Im folding a lot of hands. What Im not doing is calling 2K Pre to fold on the flop or turn
 
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Your raise to 600 is good - you isolate the limper and discourage the blinds from calling. Your re-raise all in is terrible. You are bluffing with you first raise, someone behind you has shown strength =- through your bluff away.
 
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Oh sorry, you did go all in, i thought someone else was asking something (didnt realize it was the OP) , sorry just ignore me on this thread. I misunderstood the original question
 
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$Freeroll NLHE MTT Turbo: A/2 suited from button

Your raise is too small with a limper in front. 600 is how I would size a button open raise here but with a limper we should be going 800 (3x +1BB per limper). Though in this spot with position I think I would rather we just limp behind mostly because we have no idea if UTG was limping a monster or a bigger ace in which case we have awful RIO's.

As played, once BB 3 bets we have to give him credit because he's also likely considering UTG's range as relatively uncapped and ur range is also uncapped so people aren't usually bluffing into two uncapped raises so I think it's just a fold
 
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As far as his range, my guess is that is pretty wide here but hes not worried about his cards and thats the what you got to understand here ... The UTG limp (the table sees what you see) You do the right move and iso raise from the BTN,

Now the BB sees this and says Well the BTN is only raising here because he saw the UTG limp and now BB is thinking I can take down this pot right here for a nice amount. He raies to 2k, there is no way you are ever calling this raise and the BB knows this. the BB has every intent here to raise/fold. You elected to fold and he wins some a nice pot for nothing

Now change it up, he raises to 2k and the UTG limp /folds ... leaving action on you. JAM now DONT EVER CALL THIS!!!!!!!! (read that over and over)

Sure sometimes he will call but you got a hand that plays well, High Low Suited Wheel draw.

This is just food for thought to watch for these type spots in game. If BB is like never doing anything at all then suddenly does this, FOLD. But if he folds to your jam you pick up a very sweet pot for nothing. PLAY POKER - AWESOME SPOT if you lose - **** it fire up another but people making the big bucks can exploit spots like this over and over

and NEVER NEVER think this was a bad play on your part as you stated above. Folding to the BB is no big deal either, but you got to find spots to get chips and this looks like an awesome spot

Sorry to be too wordy but Im a bad explainer
I agree with you here, it's a fold or a shove and based on the play of the BB you should decide. But I still think a fold would have been the best play here in case you don't have any notes on BB.
 
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Your raise is too small with a limper in front. 600 is how I would size a button open raise here but with a limper we should be going 800 (3x +1BB per limper). Though in this spot with position I think I would rather we just limp behind mostly because we have no idea if UTG was limping a monster or a bigger ace in which case we have awful RIO's.

As played, once BB 3 bets we have to give him credit because he's also likely considering UTG's range as relatively uncapped and ur range is also uncapped so people aren't usually bluffing into two uncapped raises so I think it's just a fold


thanks, that makes a lot of sense...if you were raising against two uncapped hands what would your own range be? premium?
 
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Your raise is too small with a limper in front. 600 is how I would size a button open raise here but with a limper we should be going 800 (3x +1BB per limper). Though in this spot with position I think I would rather we just limp behind mostly because we have no idea if UTG was limping a monster or a bigger ace in which case we have awful RIO's.

As played, once BB 3 bets we have to give him credit because he's also likely considering UTG's range as relatively uncapped and ur range is also uncapped so people aren't usually bluffing into two uncapped raises so I think it's just a fold


if i just limped do you think BB would have checked or would have have tried to raise to win the pot?
 
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it was an error regardless of outcome/ the all in but that's good to post asking for advice rather than repeating the mistake and going on sliding slope
 
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it was an error regardless of outcome/ the all in but that's good to post asking for advice rather than repeating the mistake and going on sliding slope

yeah it felt like a mistake when i made it but i couldn't be sure what the correct move was. glad this place is here haha
 
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great position to steal the blinds, or even call the 3bet and hope to flop well, 4bet jamming was where you went wrong. without a specific read that makes you think he is extremely weak here or that he will fold to this bluff, you should have flat or folded.
 
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blinds 100/200 (20) 150 runners left, 10 pay.

first position (11,000 stack) calls, folds to me at the button (A2 suited, 7,000 stack) i raise to 600, SB folds, BB (7,000 stack)raises to 2,000, first position calls, i re-raise all in, both call me.


i know that's a bad re-raise on my part (i think) but where should i have laid down or what should i have done differently?
Utg and BB can have a very high range to play from 3bet. A2s is losing a lot in the preflop, if it does not hit 2 it would be dominated.
 
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