$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Tough spot with two pair, gross river, how would you play the turn?

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$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Tough spot with two pair, gross river, how would you play the turn?

Hi all,

After some advice on a spot that comes up now and then. Hand history as per below:


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 15/30 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com


UTG+1: 117.33 BB (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, hands: 21)
MP: 82.83 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP+1: 73.57 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 75.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 89.33 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 23)
Hero (BTN): 71.83 BB
SB: 81.33 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
BB: 55.33 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 83.33 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)


SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qh Td
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.23 BB, SB raises to 3.47 BB, BB calls 2.47 BB, Hero calls 1.23 BB


Flop : (10.4 BB, 3 players) Qs Kd Tc
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks


Turn : (10.4 BB, 3 players) 5h
SB bets 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB


I'll leave the hand at the turn as this is where I had the trouble. Would you raise/jam this turn with the action here? Sb leading, BB calling and me on the button with top and bottom pair on a a board with a possible straight and possible better two pair. I think raising is spewy but curious to hear what others think as I always wonder, should I jam here? I put the SB on some kind of a made hand and the BB on a drawing hand, so it is very likely I have the best hand here and my jam on the turn will get called with me as a favourite.
 
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Bet the Flop for value and hopefully get an honest response. You clearly miss out on value if you always check behind and give them the opportunity to catch up. KJ, K9s, J8s, etc. So many hands will call your flop+turn bet and you can easily x back the R if there is a bad runout.
How do you get chips, if not by betting two pair? Ofc they can have better two pair. They can also have a flopped straight. But this is poker. Dont miss out in too much value
 
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Depends on How many chips u have.
 
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It's no good playing passively in a multi-way pot when you hit the flop that way. By checking you allow your opponents to see a card for free, and the more the players involved in the pot the more chances someone will improve on a later street. So you should've bet the flop, especially considering both villains checked and you were in position.

Reraising on the turn is definitely an option with calling villain's 4bet jam - I doubt the villains would play passively on the flop with any hand which connects well with the flop so you are likely ahead of them with your two pair.
 
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A very curious way to play a hand. First, you knit in the fight against SB, which for the first time from 34 put 3BB. Then, having got two pairs, you suddenly start talking about aces and kings and basically speaking correctly, but please tell me what you hoped to see on the flop if you are not going to defend your hand. Good Luck!
 
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I'm raising by about a pot-sized bet on the turn. I want to make any draws hanging around to have to pay to hit.

I like betting this flop also with 2 villains in the hand instead of checking. Kind of builds up a pot so we can just jam the turn and be happy about it.

There are some rivers that will kill our action and/or make us uncomfortable with our 2 pair.
 
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