$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Thoughts on this bluff

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Firstly, i'd like to preface this with the fact that this was a freeroll so don't insult me, I was playing multiple tables, and wasn't too fussed with the outcome of this as I hadn't committed much time. (So don't be too hard on me!!!)

partypoker - 20/40 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


MP+1: 68.12 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 30)
CO: 57.6 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BTN: 65.37 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
SB: 102.57 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
Hero (BB): 94.75 BB
UTG: 83.05 BB (VPIP: 12.90, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
UTG+1: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 33)
MP: 100.67 BB (VPIP: 48.48, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)


SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ K♠


fold, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 11 BB


Here I raised it fairly big, planning to shove against reraises as I see people call light in early stages of freerolls. When SB calls I expect AJs+ AQo+ 99+, KQs (except for AKs, QQ+ which I expect to raise) to call.


Flop: (32 BB, 2 players) 8♦ 9♠ Q♥
SB checks, Hero bets 24 BB, SB calls 24 BB
Flops not great, but I can have sets, straight and TPTK so I Cbet. Think this is a standard play.


Turn: (80 BB, 2 players) T♠
SB checks, Hero bets 55.75 BB and is all-in,


When he calls the flop I expect him to have some KQs, JJ, AJs (only 3 combos) so I shoved to get him off everything but the straight.


This is the main question I have. Should I just give up here or go for the big bluff. Also, do you think I even get him to fold a Q here, i guess it depends on the player, and I had little info on him.


Thanks lads.
 
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i dont think people can fold top pair on micros, so yeah turn is a check & be prepared to x/f river
theres also Jx
 
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MattJM68 said:
Even when any J makes a straight?
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if you have Jx you are not betting that big on flop, its more like you have overpair/TPTK
so if he had it, he can slowplay turn & jam river, the SPR is great for that
i almost forgot sets too 8s/9s, most of them will call the turn shove
 
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In a free roll I think it's best to play fairly ABC. Sure, you can have a lot of strong hands, but if your opponents aren't thinking about your range and what your bets might mean and are just playing their hands, bluffing makes little sense. You can bluff players in these games, but only when they don't have anything. When your c-bet is called, best to check and fold. I would consider not c-betting the flop too.
 
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TheShek said:
In a free roll I think it's best to play fairly ABC. Sure, you can have a lot of strong hands, but if your opponents aren't thinking about your range and what your bets might mean and are just playing their hands, bluffing makes little sense. You can bluff players in these games, but only when they don't have anything. When your c-bet is called, best to check and fold. I would consider not c-betting the flop too.
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I think this sums it up well. In my head at the time I was thinking he shouldn't have many Jx and will fold everything else. Not really gunna be reality though.
 
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MattJM68 said:
MP+1: 68.12 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: 57.6 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BTN: 65.37 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
SB: 102.57 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
Hero (BB): 94.75 BB
UTG: 83.05 BB (VPIP: 12.90, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
UTG+1: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 33)
MP: 100.67 BB (VPIP: 48.48, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)


SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ K♠


fold, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 11 BB


Here I raised it fairly big, planning to shove against reraises as I see people call light in early stages of freerolls. When SB calls I expect AJs+ AQo+ 99+, KQs (except for AKs, QQ+ which I expect to raise) to call.
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I want to talk about your pre flop thoughts. I do not expect the MP nor BTN player to have AA or KK here, let alone QQ, JJ or TT. So I think that getting all in against these two would be fine. I do have issue with planning on getting 95 BB in against the SB. If he 4 bets to 30-45 BB, that represents a very strong range, I would say JJ+, AQs+. Against that range you are only ahead of one combination of hands, flipping against a few, crushed by a couple and chopping against another. Overall -EV long term getting 95 BB all in pre flop here


I read your preface, but do not agree with it. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. Play your best game all the time, even in a freeroll, so that when you are playing in a big buyin event, you will have the experience and confidence in your decisions
 
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1dkp0k3r said:
I want to talk about your pre flop thoughts. I do not expect the MP nor BTN player to have AA or KK here, let alone QQ, JJ or TT. So I think that getting all in against these two would be fine. I do have issue with planning on getting 95 BB in against the SB. If he 4 bets to 30-45 BB, that represents a very strong range, I would say JJ+, AQs+. Against that range you are only ahead of one combination of hands, flipping against a few, crushed by a couple and chopping against another. Overall -EV long term getting 95 BB all in pre flop here


I read your preface, but do not agree with it. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. Play your best game all the time, even in a freeroll, so that when you are playing in a big buyin event, you will have the experience and confidence in your decisions
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I agree, but normally when i play freerolls i am playing xbox or watching netflix. Also i dont worry about the results as i have no money invested. Plus if i get it in with a 45% average early on im ok as that means ive not spent loads of time, if i double up and get some chips then i can try harder.

However i do want to learn the correct plays. So what would you say is the play if the SB 4 bets like you mentioned? Folding seems weak, and like you said shoving is too strong. We could call and see a flop in position but unless we see an A or K we're in trouble.
 
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It's a freeroll. Some are honestly capable of calling 92o on A2KQJ :) Not much point in bluffing in my opinion!
 
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MattJM68 said:
I agree, but normally when i play freerolls i am playing xbox or watching netflix. Also i dont worry about the results as i have no money invested. Plus if i get it in with a 45% average early on im ok as that means ive not spent loads of time, if i double up and get some chips then i can try harder.

However i do want to learn the correct plays. So what would you say is the play if the SB 4 bets like you mentioned? Folding seems weak, and like you said shoving is too strong. We could call and see a flop in position but unless we see an A or K we're in trouble.
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I would be more likely to call the SB 4 bet all in here than to call a smaller 4 bet size. Most players at this level will min 4 bet with AA. A 4 bet jam here would mean a lot of AK, AQ and 77-JJ.

If the SB would 4 bet small to 30-45 BB like mentioned, effective stacks behind after a call would be 50-65 BB with a pot size of 62-92 BB. Obviously looking to improve your hand, but at this point you would be in position with AK off suit, still a very strong holding.

Post flop play would be tricky here. With a small 4 bet size like that, SB is very narrow with his range, AA, KK, AKs, maybe QQ. Your range is 88-QQ, and AK. With the board as it is, flop action goes check, check, SB can still have his entire range here, and I think that you can as well.

Turn is very bad for SB range, and very good for your range. If SB does not have QQ, then that is still in your range, in which case the only hand in your range that SB range can beat or tie at best is AK. SB checks, easy shove at this point. SB can only hero call with QQ, even then I think that it would be a bad call
 
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