$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Short Stacked Shove... Right Play? (Busto)

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sportsguy16

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Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 100/200 (20 ante) - 9 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker - https://upswingpoker.com/replayer/5q8UBhI

imonarush (UTG): 2,128 (11 bb)
Sonnybeach (UTG+1): 5,310 (27 bb)
jorgitomaida (MP): 7,202 (36 bb)
TexasL3636 (MP+1): 7,980 (40 bb)
DeucesCracked (LP): 17,538 (88 bb)
Mary58 (CO): 3,762 (19 bb)
sportsguy16 (BU): 1,747 (9 bb)
Counting Coup! (SB): 6,331 (32 bb)
chromecat (BB): 7,047 (35 bb)

Pre-Flop: (480) Hero (sportsguy16) is BTN with Q♥ 4♥
2 players fold, jorgitomaida (MP) raises to 400, 3 players fold, sportsguy16 (BU) 3-bets to 800, Counting Coup! (SB) calls 700, 1 fold, jorgitomaida (MP) calls 400

Flop: (2,780) T♠ 2♣ J♦ (3 players)
Counting Coup! (SB) checks, jorgitomaida (MP) checks, sportsguy16 (BU) bets 927 (all-in), Counting Coup! (SB) calls 927, jorgitomaida (MP) calls 927

Turn: (5,561) 6♣ (3 players, 1 all-in)
Counting Coup! (SB) checks, jorgitomaida (MP) checks

River: (5,561) 3♠ (3 players, 1 all-in)
Counting Coup! (SB) checks, jorgitomaida (MP) checks

Total pot: 5,561

Showdown:
sportsguy16 (BU) mucks Q♥ 4♥ (high card, Queen)
(equity - Pre-Flop: 25%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

Counting Coup! (SB) shows 7♣ 7♥ (a pair of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 38%, Flop: 59%, Turn: 62%, River: 100%)

jorgitomaida (MP) mucks A♣ 9♣ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 37%, Flop: 28%, Turn: 33%, River: 0%)

Counting Coup! (SB) wins 5,561
 
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yoejslattery

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I would have shoved pre-flop, you gave your oppenents too good of odds to call both pre-flop and then by having a reduced stack, post-flop as well. You had very little fold equity either time. Q4s is not a good hand by any means so ideally your 3 bet shove gets through and you pick up some chips that way, not really a hand you want people to call.
 
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I believe that you should fold preflop and not because the outcome wasn’t good for you. MP raised pre, now you didn’t have enough bbs to push him out from the hand even if you decided to go all in pre and a MP folding here is unlikely. If everyone folded to you, you could consider to steal with all in only.
 
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Fold prefflop everytine. 9bb is enough to wait for a shoving spot.
 
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Yes, clearly a fold.
Then again what kind of range does MP raise with and what hands does fold to a Shove.
The raise is -ev.
What range do you Shove with 9bb from DB?
 
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This is clearly a fold. There is no way you are going to steal the pot being that short stacked.
 
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Which a stack this short you should be in push and fold mode. If it had folded around to you on BTN, I would not mind to push with this hand, even its a bit loose. But when someone else have entered already, you need something much stronger than Q4s to get involved. So this should just have been a fold preflop, and its not even close.
 
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