$Freeroll NLHE MTT: open ended straight draw vs min 3b

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 30,000/60,000 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 14.01 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 11.90, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, hands: 89)
SB: 8.8 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (BB): 19.11 BB
UTG: 18.13 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
UTG+1: 2.29 BB (VPIP: 22.88, PFR: 8.91, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 119)
MP: 5.71 BB (VPIP: 18.40, PFR: 7.89, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 127)
MP+1: 7.13 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
CO: 3.12 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 18.87, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 59)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 8 6

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) A 7 9
Hero checks, UTG bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, UTG raises to 5 BB

should we call/shove?

after calling, if the turn blank do we shove?
 
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How many left in the tournament? This is a fold or shove situation here.
 
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hi!
i belive it was wrong your move to check raise the flop
check call was a better idea there for pot control
better just call there in my opinion
 
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Call on flop and fold on big bet on turn if your equity didn't improve.
 
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Call on flop and fold on big bet on turn if your equity didn't improve.
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You want to see the turn as cheaply as possible. And with your rest stack, it should still be possible to get max value here if you hit.
 
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Imho, check-raise is fine on the flop. You have 99, 77 and 97 in your range, but you check raised too small. Check-raise bigger, like 66bb. As played, call obviously and on blank turn check-fold.
 
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UTG has a lot of Ax in his range here.

This is a freeroll, and his VPIP is high. Don't semi-bluff in freerolls, other than c-bets and blind steals from the button, unless you have a good read on the player. Freeroll players generally hate to fold.

There is no reason to bloat the pot when you have little fold equity and are probably behind. Call the flop and be happy to see the turn so cheaply with a draw.

As played, what is villain's range after the re-raise?
If we give him {A2+,77,99+} then you have 34% chip equity.

There are 11.5 BB in the pot and it's 2 BB to you to call, so you need only 2 / (11.5+2) = 15% equity to call. So at least call.

Should you shove? If you do it will be a semi-bluff, and I strongly recommend against semi-bluffs in freerolls without good reads. If a call here was going to commit you to calling any future bet due to pot odds, stack sizes, and equity then you could shove. But that is not the case here.

If the turn card is a brick then your equity will be cut roughly in half, and you can fold to any substantial bet, with 12BB still left in your stack.

I don't think it makes a difference in this case, but be aware that when you are close to the money or in the money in a tournament there are also ICM factors to consider.
 
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How many left in the tournament? This is a fold or shove situation here.

its a FT w/ 40 something $ for 1st
i really missed the fact that theres still lots of small stack on the table at that time :eek:
couldnt agree more w/ the fold/shove situation after that 5bb reraise


UTG has a lot of Ax in his range here.

This is a freeroll, and his VPIP is high. Don't semi-bluff in freerolls, other than c-bets and blind steals from the button, unless you have a good read on the player. Freeroll players generally hate to fold.

There is no reason to bloat the pot when you have little fold equity and are probably behind. Call the flop and be happy to see the turn so cheaply with a draw.

As played, what is villain's range after the re-raise?
If we give him {A2+,77,99+} then you have 34% chip equity.

There are 11.5 BB in the pot and it's 2 BB to you to call, so you need only 2 / (11.5+2) = 15% equity to call. So at least call.

Should you shove? If you do it will be a semi-bluff, and I strongly recommend against semi-bluffs in freerolls without good reads. If a call here was going to commit you to calling any future bet due to pot odds, stack sizes, and equity then you could shove. But that is not the case here.

If the turn card is a brick then your equity will be cut roughly in half, and you can fold to any substantial bet, with 12BB still left in your stack.

I don't think it makes a difference in this case, but be aware that when you are close to the money or in the money in a tournament there are also ICM factors to consider.

TY for the thoroughly post sir, highly appreciated :)

i ended up calling the flop & x/c a shove on a club turn vs 99 & finished 8th :damnmate:
 
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first off 6 8 suited is a fold hand unless looking for a flush, once that flop hit and you seen your str8 draw, you might want to call a raise only if you have another out like a flush draw, if he has any pair he has better odds than you. if you miss it on the turn it's time to either try bluffing and pray for 3% chance for a river miracle.
I feel playing 6-8 suited or not is a very bad hand, not saying it can't score you big on a straight, but if you added up all the times you try playing it only to lose or fold with it. well that's more money lost than I could ever win back, so in other words, not a good value hand. if he was playing ace 7 and had 2 pair he could just as easy hit a house against me on the river as well. when the odds are against you it's best to not risk more chips unless your ready to leave and give up anyway. better to fold and lose a little, than call a raise and lose a lot.
Peace" and Happy Bank Rolling....
 
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I don't mind the pre flop call for 1 additional bb. You have nearly the same stack and doubling through would have you at nearly 37bbs or so. If you were even just a little more short stacked, say 15bbs or less then I would just fold. Even better to call when you are both deeper in the 25+bb range with this hand.

You have a nice draw on the flop. I want to see the turn as cheap as possible and a c-bet is likely. You have only invested 1bb. An early position player raised pre flop and an Ace has hit the board. I check call a reasonable sized bet here for those reasons hoping that I only invest maybe 2 or 3 more bb to see the turn. Maybe you get really lucky and see it for free?!?!
 
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