$Freeroll NLHE MTT: I'm bad played this hand? It was necessary to All-in Pre-flop or Flop?

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$Freeroll NLHE MTT: I'm bad played this hand? It was necessary to All-in Pre-flop or Flop?

pokerstars Hand #181288157201: Tournament #2158386441, Freeroll Holdem No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2018/01/20 22:08:17 EET [2018/01/20 15:08:17 ET]


9 players (stacks):
SB: TUBEREDO (20370)
BB: Krasv4iK20 (36382)
UTG1: manwienner (4799)
UTG2: DOCTORWUPPIE (32340)
MP1: John-P.B.653 (3459)
MP2: falika1 (8222)
MP3: thed130 (13651)
Hero (CO): Gontarelli (7151)
BTN: zzz1445 (19684)
Blinds: 400/800, ante: 75


Pre-flop: (1875, 9 players) Gontarelli is CO: J:heart:, A:spade:
4 folds, thed130 calls 800, Gontarelli raises to 1600, zzz1445 folds, TUBEREDO calls 1200, Krasv4iK20 calls 800, thed130 calls 800


Flop: 2:diamond:, J:diamond:, A:club: (7075, 4 players)
TUBEREDO checks, Krasv4iK20 checks, thed130 checks, Gontarelli bets 3000, TUBEREDO calls 3000, Krasv4iK20 folds, thed130 calls 3000


Turn: 4:heart: (16075, 3 players)
TUBEREDO checks, thed130 checks, Gontarelli raises to 2476 (All-in), TUBEREDO folds, thed130 calls 2476


River: 4:diamond: (21027, 2 players, 1 All-in)


Final Pot: 21027


Results follows:
thed130: shows [9d 7d] (a flush, Jack high)
Gontarelli: shows [Jh As] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
thed130 showed [9d 7d] and won (21027) with a flush, Jack high
Gontarelli showed [Jh As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
thed130 collected 21027 from pot
 
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with 10bb stack im mostly go all in preflop

as played, vill keep going w/ 9 high flush draw, its unlikely hes folding a flop jam
nh gg
 
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with 10bb stack im mostly go all in preflop

as played, vill keep going w/ 9 high flush draw, its unlikely hes folding a flop jam
nh gg

My influence was affected by the game, the table was passive, i'm twice push all-in with nuts and all table fold(
 
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My influence was affected by the game, the table was passive, i'm twice push all-in with nuts and all table fold(
You have 9bb pre and when the action is to you there is more than 3bb in the middle. I shove pre to try and take it down now or to hopefully only be called by 1 player and have it heads up. AJ is not very strong and you should not be wanting a multi way pot here.

With how you played it though I like the bet on the flop. There is little room to play around so I would have shoved but you have a good hand and so encouraging action with a smaller bet is not terrible IMO.
 
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Like others have said. Shove pre.
 
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Yes, shove pre. In general, if you raise this small, you are inviting everyone into the pot. Think about SB and BB stacks here and how little it costs them to see the flop, and against 3 players (you are anticipating a call from MP also), AJo is not doing so well. Once you hit that flop so hard, shove it, the pot is 8BB big and you have less then 8BB stack, clear shove, no need to bet small since it is again inviting for opponents to w8 for their flushes..
 
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Yes, shove pre. In general, if you raise this small, you are inviting everyone into the pot. Think about SB and BB stacks here and how little it costs them to see the flop, and against 3 players (you are anticipating a call from MP also), AJo is not doing so well. Once you hit that flop so hard, shove it, the pot is 8BB big and you have less then 8BB stack, clear shove, no need to bet small since it is again inviting for opponents to w8 for their flushes..

Here, here. Min betting with a 9BB stack is inviting a calls and raises. AJo is not a great hand to play but good for a shove with a less than 10 BB.
 
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preflop all in
you collect 3 BB in the worst case. After the flop if you hit something go but in this case you could only drive out flush draws where the player hast a low stack.
the rest will call an win a third of the hands.
 
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I'm bad played this hand? It was necessary to All-in Pre-flop or Flop?


With <10BB, as said before, it's a Push or Fold situation. Our stack size simply can not afford any raise, as we will be pot committed after that move and have to play a hand till the end. Just push it or fold it, no limp, no raise after your stack becomes <12BB.

But what we shall choose here? Hmm, i would say it's clear push in most cases, just because it's a Freeroll, where so many weak players and even more solid players are playing more loose and don't take it seriously. In a more serious tournament it really depends on many factors. First of all, do we have any reads on that guy limping from HJ? How been we playing till now, tight or more loose? Do we showed some bluffs recently? And what actually do we know about those two guys on the blinds? Are they tight and probably fold for a squeeze in this situation or one of them is like call station, who probably would calling it? That's a great situation to remember once again, how important reads in poker are. Without any reads and in a serious tournament i would be more cautious with AJo, thinking "Hey, that guy on HJ, have a good steal situation with all those folds before him, so why the heck is he just limping? Is it a trap with a Premium Pair and he is waiting for raise to 3Bet it himself or he trying to set a trap on Post-Flop? But, as i said before, considering it is a freeroll, i would push here as we are staying great against his pretty wide range.
 
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Best thing was to probably shove all in pre-flop. picking up 3 BB when you only have 9 BB is a massive pot to win, it is 33% of your stack! If villain calls pre-flop with Jd9d, then you absolutely love your situation
 
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shova

I would shove, AJ is not the best hand, but with 10 bb would be a good choice.
 
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OFC only push preflop. You can play here AI preflop from CO example with: 22+, A2s+, A3o+, K9s+, KJo+, Q9s+, QJo, J9s+, T9s+, 98s. Raise in this small stack is only sometimes good with AA. Never raise when small short stack! Only push preflop or fold!
 
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as others have said: shove pre-flop
have a look at fold/shove charts
in this case: thed130 likely would have folded (typical limp in with something suited)
 
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If you dont wanna go all in preflop in order to keep the weak villains in the hand you can bet 1/2 of your stack with the intention of shove in any flop ...
 
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All-in preflop in the only right move with <10bb and AJ unless you are on the stone cold bubble, then folding might be an option.
 
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Apparently it is a shove pre! What are you trying to accomplish by min raising here? Inflating the pot with more than one opponents?

If for the x reason you didn't want to shove pre[stone bubble for example] then just call and see a cheap flop in position. If you want to 3bet ,at least 2.5x the initial amount of chips if you are in position or make it >3x if you are out of position!
 
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Thanks for sharing this hand!
Definitely if you're not willing to commit pre flop, which you definitely should be when you are this short stacked, then just call. Min raising is a big mistake.
But then, when you hit a flop this hard, i'd shove! Get it in while your equity is good!
 
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Even on the flop, why leave 2k behind?
 
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Yeah there's not a ton to really say about this hand. You should probably do some reading up on standard push/fold short stack strategy. Preflop is a very clear shove all in, and it's not really close.

As played, you get to the flop with less in your stack than what's in the pot, and you flop almost the best you could hop for in a drastically multiway pot. This is not the time to bet small and hope to get called. Just shove and you likely WILL be called by many worse hands, some of them Ax hands that have very little chance of improving to a better hand.

Annoying to lose this spot, but it might even be avoided by just shoving pre.
 
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just a bit of bad luck as well. Villain hopes for a flush and risks it all but gets rewarded. It might be best to go all in after the flop so you wont get called by flush draws and only by ace high which you got beat. But i understand that at a thight table you would seize a bit smaller to get more profit. Although i wouldnt have gotten all in if they were so thight but still made that call.
 
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