$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Final Table ICM considerations

I am constantly learning about Mtt play, especially ICM . Here is CC $200 freeroll $60 for 1st, $16 for 5th. Reviewing this Hand in ICMizer, I found the results counter-intuitive?? I will try to hide results and you can tell me if everyone agrees with software or would you play differently??



iPoker - 1,500/3,000 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

mtl mile end (BTN): 4.64 BB (VPIP: 20.91, PFR: 15.84, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, hands: 111)
superaic (SB): 6.66 BB (VPIP: 20.11, PFR: 7.49, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 189)
joey716 (BB): 7.07 BB
VivicvrMga (UTG): 7.51 BB (VPIP: 12.93, PFR: 10.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 148)
Ripple9302 (CO): 39.11 BB (VPIP: 26.39, PFR: 24.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 73)

5 players post ante of 0.1 BB, superaic posts SB 0.5 BB, joey716 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2 BB) joey716 has Ad, 6s

fold, fold, mtl mile end raises to 4.54 BB, superaic calls 4.04 BB,

So? I am in the BB, do I call? Shove? or fold?? I am attaching ICMizer Sc. Shot at the bottom, Thanks for feedback

No, it is a fold after 2 more opponents participating in it. After all wait for the pay jump. SB's range for my point of you is at least a better Ax than yours. I would have very marginally called AQs here after the 2 all ins because I had them both covered.
Long story short it is a very good hand to open shove with the amount of BBs you have but not to call here!

akmost said:

No, it is a fold after 2 more opponents participating in it. After all wait for the pay jump. SB's range for my point of you is at least a better Ax than yours. I would have very marginally called AQs here after the 2 all ins because I had them both covered.
Long story short it is a very good hand to open shove with the amount of BBs you have but not to call here!

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I actually did fold this hand, during my hand review I ran this through ICMizer and was surprised that it was a call. I can only guess, because I have no chance of busting plus multi-way pot. In real time, I am not sure if I can play this hand?? That is why I posted it.

EDIT: By the way, if you could not follow results (I know we don't need results) but I would have won the hand! HaHa

i fold that since you'll either move up one spot or face a very crippled low stack (and potentially i'd fold the next hand if non-premium in that case to watch them go out). i think ICM here could be screwed up due to the superstack. your odds of first are close to zero at this point (maybe 10%?). i don't know how to run the ICM calculations but if you changed it to a 4 man tournament, with payouts of whatever 2,3,4, and 5 were you might see a more reasonable (or at least thought provoking answer).

of course whichever of you four survive will still have a chance, but i definitely want to watch a couple people go out or be forced all in against him before i risk it with a/6

formertroll said:

i fold that since you'll either move up one spot or face a very crippled low stack (and potentially i'd fold the next hand if non-premium in that case to watch them go out). i think ICM here could be screwed up due to the superstack. your odds of first are close to zero at this point (maybe 10%?). i don't know how to run the ICM calculations but if you changed it to a 4 man tournament, with payouts of whatever 2,3,4, and 5 were you might see a more reasonable (or at least thought provoking answer).

of course whichever of you four survive will still have a chance, but i definitely want to watch a couple people go out or be forced all in against him before i risk it with a/6

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HaHa, as I said ICMizer says it is a definite call!!

In real time, I folded this hand. (by the way, I would have won the hand), but I folded, the very next hand I received pocket KK's, I shoved and the big stack called me with AQo, and of course he drilled a Q on the flop, and I went out in 5th place.
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jsnake716 said:

I actually did fold this hand, during my hand review I ran this through ICMizer and was surprised that it was a call. I can only guess, because I have no chance of busting plus multi-way pot. In real time, I am not sure if I can play this hand?? That is why I posted it.

EDIT: By the way, if you could not follow results (I know we don't need results) but I would have won the hand! HaHa

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Yeap I looked at the spoiler after commenting and I was also surprised haha! It is one of those spots where you use your entirely time bank


Good luck