$Freeroll NLHE MTT Deep Stacked Turbo: must we play 7 high flush draw aggressively?

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$Freeroll NLHE MTT Deep Stacked Turbo: must we play 7 high flush draw aggressively?

PokerStars - $0.10+$0.01|100/200 Ante 20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 16.1 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, hands: 64)
CO: 100.73 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 10.40, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 135)
BTN: 45.43 BB (VPIP: 17.56, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.90, Hands: 281)
Hero (SB): 154.87 BB
BB: 49.75 BB (VPIP: 55.00, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 60)
UTG: 48 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 6.72 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP: 59.41 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
MP+1: 124.89 BB (VPIP: 76.47, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 17)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 7 5

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (4.9 BB, 4 players) Q 2 A
Hero checks, BB checks, MP+1 checks, CO checks

Turn: (4.9 BB, 4 players) J
Hero checks, BB checks, MP+1 checks, CO checks

River: (4.9 BB, 4 players) K
Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB, MP+1 raises to 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB,

should we bet the flop or turn?

as played, should we 3bet the river & shoving a 4bet there?

 
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Playing the hand the same way. Call river.
 
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I think it's a fold. You open from the small blind, get a call from the big blind, get raised by mp1 and the raiser gets called.

One of those people has a 10. Someone has an ace (BB?) and there is a higher flush in this 4way bet call raise call river.
 
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Gonna have to agree with Trent here. You're not getting value from anything if you reraise. The odds of having two clubs in that spot is ~1/16 so you can't really fold. Especially with the King and Ace of clubs out there, I'd only really be concerned about BB having a higher flush, but he only called. So I think this is a clear cut call.
 
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Gonna have to agree with Trent here. You're not getting value from anything if you reraise. The odds of having two clubs in that spot is ~1/16 so you can't really fold. Especially with the King and Ace of clubs out there, I'd only really be concerned about BB having a higher flush, but he only called. So I think this is a clear cut call.

This isn't a 1v1 on the river. This is a 1v3. Not only do you open when the flush draw completes, you get called, raised, and a third caller (who calls your raise) if this happens in a game with players of skill, 5-7 flush is not good.
 
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I think it's a fold. You open from the small blind, get a call from the big blind, get raised by mp1 and the raiser gets called.

One of those people has a 10. Someone has an ace (BB?) and there is a higher flush in this 4way bet call raise call river.

but its 7 for 30bb pot, it looks like a good price no?

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This isn't a 1v1 on the river. This is a 1v3. Not only do you open when the flush draw completes, you get called, raised, and a third caller (who calls your raise) if this happens in a game with players of skill, 5-7 flush is not good.
This is a freeroll. :)
 
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This is a freeroll. :)

Sure it's a freeroll... I've got access to this super awesome freeroll club I can invite you to! ... Never the less, making bad decisions that happen to work in some freerolls will not improve your game.

Maybe that is my problem, assuming your opponent is playing at higher skill level forces you to error.
 
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Sure it's a freeroll... I've got access to this super awesome freeroll club I can invite you to! ... Never the less, making bad decisions that happen to work in some freerolls will not improve your game.

Maybe that is my problem, assuming your opponent is playing at higher skill level forces you to error.
This is a huge leak of yours and why generally you should be thinking just one level higher than your opponent. MP+1 in this hand can very easily not understand relative hand strength and think because he rivered a straight he should automatically raise.
 
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I'm not folding here. I'm not saying you are going to win 100% of the time but you are calling 7 BB to win 35, that's 20% pot odds. If you think you are not going to win more than 20% of the time then it's a fold(I think you have the best hand more than 60-70% of the time in a freeroll.)
 
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You should re-raise on river, I think !!
 
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Unfortunately your position at the table makes it difficult to get a good read. to bet on the flop oop, which I think would be the thing to do, would be one way to gather info on the other players. No one raised pre-flop so kind of hard to put them on high pair or ak etc.... they call or raise the flop bet bet would give you indication of their hand. By the time river is laid, as played, you would have to fold. all the checks would lead me to believe that at least one more person has colour.
 
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