$Freeroll NLHE MTT Bounty: 88, was aggression a bluff or tell?

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PokerStars - 30/60 Ante 5 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 2,414 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 20)
MP+1: 2,840 (VPIP: 25.69, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 220)
MP+2: 2,810 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
CO: 8,433 (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 94)
Hero (BTN): 4,046
SB: 3,260 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 3,190 (VPIP: 16.33, PFR: 2.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
UTG: 3,215 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG+1: 2,855

9 players post ante of 5, SB posts SB 30, BB posts BB 60

Pre Flop: (pot: 135) Hero has 8:club: 8:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 120, fold, BB raises to 420, Hero calls 300


Flop: (915, 2 players) 3:heart: 4:club: 7:diamond:
BB bets 457, Hero calls 457

Turn: (1,829, 2 players) 9:heart:
BB bets 914, Hero raises to 3,164 and is all-in, BB calls 1,394 and is all-in

River: (6,445, 2 players) A:diamond:
 
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Fold pre to the 3bet.

Villain in this hand is running 16/2/0 over 50 hands, his 3bet range here is going to be something like JJ+ AK+. You aren't getting nearly correct odds to setmine here and are going to be up against a completely nutted range postflop.

Fold flop, you didn't hit a set and are up against a nutted range.

Turn is an even easier fold. Your opponent has exactly zero bluffs here. Do you really think a guy this nitty is going to be double barrelling this board with complete air? Even if he was capable of doing so, you should be calling this turn rather than jamming to keep all his bluffs in and call off any river.
 
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It's so early on in the tourney with so much room to play, you can pick a much better spot, fold pre.
 
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The preflop call is a bit off because villain has raised so little before that he probably has a pretty butted rand when he 3-Bets you, especially when he goes so large. Often freeroll players like this will only do this with higher pairs, it's not like he is ever 3-Bet bluffing here, and I can't see him playing like that with AJ or anything. If you had more BB, you could consider calling to flop a set, but when you're going to have an SPR of like 2.5:1, it simply isn't worth it. You have enough hands on him where you can trust that he is probably a fishy nit, and that makes this a gross fold with 88.

I think that calling the flop is close as played, as a smaller bet does often indicate less strength at these stakes. It does depend on how often he has bet postflop. One problem is that if you think he will continue with bluffs and value on the turn, you are going to have to call additional bets, which will put you in tough situations. If you think that he is likely to bet with AK and AQ and then give up with any bluffs on the turn then you can call, but I suspect that he is probably the type of opponent who won't bluff much on this flop and who probably has a higher pair when he bets, so I might have let this hand go at this stage again.

The turn is absolutely ludicrous I'm afraid. I doubt there are any bluffs which a player like this will continue with at this point. This guy is a passive nitty player! I don't see what you are trying to achieve with the shove at all... get him to fold a weaker overpair? Treat the hand as a semi-bluff and try to hit your 2 outs? Of course not.

I think you gt far too attached to this hand because it is a pair and you felt that you were ahead all the way through even though that was completely unrealistic. Remember to focus on the type of opponent you are playing against at all times, it's very important. I don't personally use a HUD but I am always looking at the way an opponent plays and trying to pick up tells on that opponent. Don't just call because you think that it is really unlucky if you're relatively strong hand is beat. Think about your opponents range of hands and make decisions on how well your hand does agains their range.

Hope that helps.
Good luck!
 
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Fold pre to the 3bet.

Villain in this hand is running 16/2/0 over 50 hands, his 3bet range here is going to be something like JJ+ AK+. You aren't getting nearly correct odds to setmine here and are going to be up against a completely nutted range postflop.

Fold flop, you didn't hit a set and are up against a nutted range.

Turn is an even easier fold. Your opponent has exactly zero bluffs here. Do you really think a guy this nitty is going to be double barrelling this board with complete air? Even if he was capable of doing so, you should be calling this turn rather than jamming to keep all his bluffs in and call off any river.


My opinion:
50 Hands is way to short to come to a conclusion Trent, you know that. To often does a individual attempt to re-steal in a spot as such. Obviously the 50 hands throws us a wrench in our decision but you can't weigh on it... really at all. I think raising and flatting is fine here and going from there on the flop. Obviously on that board you should be controlling the pot, not re-raising and/or leading on this board.

I agree on the statements about what to do on the flop/turn though. Pretty obvious that he is calling here with an over pair at worse (maybe AK if ultrafish) but you're behind. I still think calling on this flop isn't terrible because if he checks the turn (which he should be doing decently often) you can check back and see a river... and on that river its instant fold.

Hopefully my thoughts didn't get to skewed.
 
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I would not be surprised to see your opponent turn over two big cards here it is a freeroll. If you ended up jamming the turn anyway you should have raised/jam the flop.
Against a good player I think you are crushed more often than not by an overpair the big cards had no incentive to bluff turn as it is a bounty tournament and you cover them.
 
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I would have fold pre-flop in that situation during that circumstances
 
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Fold to avoid difficult situations and facing with monsters. 88 have very low equity against his 3bet range.
 
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Fold preflop , he is nit/rock , we don't want to put ourselves in tough positions against him with no good hands . Postflop , fold on the flop , and if you can't there , on the turn , with the 1/2 of his stack bet oop , it's easier to fold , he tells you ''I have sth '' .
 
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