$7 NLHE MTT Turbo: AA- unlucky or bad play

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I'd say a mix of both.

First, I'm glad you 3bet his open, I think the sizing is a little small. Ideally I'd want to raise it to around 5.5bb (~8800) if I'm trapping or 8bb (~12800) for value.
Your min reraise is too small for him to fold anything really.

On the flop, I like checking. Villain will be checking here with most of his range(he should check his K), and if you bet, he will only continue with a K or a set of 7s. When you check, it allows him to see another card. On this board if you are ahead on the flop, the turn card is rarely going to put you behind. (He would have to make a boat) He cant turn a better 2 pair, he cant turn a made flush or straight.

The turn is where I think you make your biggest mistake. Villain leads 9600 into a 17000pot making the pot 26000. Your stack is 26000. Without a read on villain, you can't call. When you call, if villain chooses to fire the river, you're almost always behind. The problem with calling here is you become pot committed. You cant afford to fold the river, but you are rarely ahead if villain bets almost any river. Your choices are shove or fold.

Villain (UTG open) most likely only has KQ in his range of K's here. He's got alot of air, worse pocket pairs, a couple made boats (77,55) and alot of hands with gutshot straight draws and flush draws. I think shoving here is risky, but there is a giant pool of chips, and the turn brings a lot of draws for villain to call while behind on. Plus the pot is big enough that it's a nice pot to take down.

As played, on the river, I would have just shoved. If you call and lose, you will be posting small blind next hand, and have less than 2bb stack remaining.
 
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You left him so much space pre and post flop. I don't like the 3bet pre it is so small. You are OOP and you make it for him easier to call you IP. Even post flop you must be the one who should cbet in order to understand where you stand on the flop. IMHO you play way too passively!

Even if I had followed your line I would Shove turn to protect my over pair!
 
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overbet al-in on turn maby opp fold
 
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My thought process for this hand

PREFLOP

Holding AA in the big blind against an unknown UTG raiser- sometimes dreams do come true. I didn't want to call and slowplay, because I felt that considering our stack sizes, he will either check-fold on so many flops, or make a small c-bet and give up on many turns. So, I contemplated between re-raising small or going all-in. I chose the first option, as I thought going all in for 20BB gets way too many folds whereas clicking back might induce him to shove with worse hands, f.e lower pairs, Kx and also the few Ax combos, which I know he couldn't have many as I was holding two of them. But, instead he called, I guess correctly given such a good price. (?)

FLOP

I felt, that this is kind of the "either way ahead or way behind" types of flop, meaning he either has a king or he doesn't. I started with a check, because:

1)If I bet, it's really difficult to get away from my hand in case he has a king.
2)Chance for him to improve on the turn in case he missed completely, as there are no draws.
3)Chance for him to bluff me with his air.
4)Although very unlikely, in case he decided to call with a pair preflop, he might feel his hand is good.

But anyway, he checks behind.

TURN

Now this is a spot for me. After thinking for a while, I decided to check again, because:

1)In case he picked up a flush draw, he will most likely bet it himself anyway and probably bomb the river, considering how weakly I had played my hand.
2)One more chance to bluff his nothings.
3)One more confirmation, that his one pair type of hands are probably good.
4)Against a slowplayed king, I might save some chips, in case he decides to go weird and go for a super small bet or something (low stakes, anything can happen).

After his 1/2 pot bet, I decided to call and not to raise mainly for the same reasons I gave above: against a flush draw, the outcome would probably be the same anyway, so it wouldn't matter if I call or go all-in, I just feel he would fold so many worse hands to my jam.

RIVER

Well, the runner-runner flush gets there, but against such a small bet (4,5:1) and the way how underrepresented my hand was, I felt that he value bets worse OR does some weird low stake bluff for sure once in four and a half times, so I decided to call.
 
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My thought process for this hand

PREFLOP

Holding AA in the big blind against an unknown UTG raiser- sometimes dreams do come true. I didn't want to call and slowplay, because I felt that considering our stack sizes, he will either check-fold on so many flops, or make a small c-bet and give up on many turns. So, I contemplated between re-raising small or going all-in. I chose the first option, as I thought going all in for 20BB gets way too many folds whereas clicking back might induce him to shove with worse hands, f.e lower pairs, Kx and also the few Ax combos, which I know he couldn't have many as I was holding two of them. But, instead he called, I guess correctly given such a good price. (?)
Your min re raise is essentially slow playing the best starting hand.
And he called correctly given the price.

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FLOP

I felt, that this is kind of the "either way ahead or way behind" types of flop, meaning he either has a king or he doesn't. I started with a check
You are exactly in a way ahead way behind situation. In fact even when has a King it doesn't make sense for him to cbet. I would only cbet with a 7s full of kings in his spot to extract value from the insane amount of Ks in your range.

My thought process for this hand
TURN

Now this is a spot for me. After thinking for a while, I decided to check again, because:

1)In case he picked up a flush draw, he will most likely bet it himself anyway and probably bomb the river, considering how weakly I had played my hand.
2)One more chance to bluff his nothings.
3)One more confirmation, that his one pair type of hands are probably good.
4)Against a slowplayed king, I might save some chips, in case he decides to go weird and go for a super small bet or something (low stakes, anything can happen).

After his 1/2 pot bet, I decided to call and not to raise mainly for the same reasons I gave above: against a flush draw, the outcome would probably be the same anyway, so it wouldn't matter if I call or go all-in, I just feel he would fold so many worse hands to my jam.

Again, you dont wan't to call here. If you check raise jam the pot is big enough that even if he folds air, that has no chance to improve you have taken down a good pot. (you go from 20bb to 32.5bb) nh! well played!
Also, if he calls you with straight/flush/worse 2 pairs/ and flush draws with a gutshot here this is exactly what you want. Sure sometimes he will improve and beat you.
The outcome isn't the same whether you call or shove in the long run. When you shove, you remove alot of villains potential to realize his equity.

When you call, and check river, villain will check back with a lot of his missed hands and low value hands. Your Aces are only good for bluff catching now, you are pot committed, and only have essentially top pair in a 3bet pot on the river and cant fold to a river bet.
Folding the turn is ok, especially because of the trap you are in on almost every river.

Your point 4) is invalid when you are this short in chips. You are trying to play pot control but even with the small bets he made on the turn and river, when you check called both, you were left with 4bb.

Your though process overall makes a lot of sense if you are really deep stacked in a tournament or playing a cash game.
 
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Your min re raise is essentially slow playing the best starting hand.
And he called correctly given the price.


You are exactly in a way ahead way behind situation. In fact even when has a King it doesn't make sense for him to cbet. I would only cbet with a 7s full of kings in his spot to extract value from the insane amount of Ks in your range.



Again, you dont wan't to call here. If you check raise jam the pot is big enough that even if he folds air, that has no chance to improve you have taken down a good pot. (you go from 20bb to 32.5bb) nh! well played!
Also, if he calls you with straight/flush/worse 2 pairs/ and flush draws with a gutshot here this is exactly what you want. Sure sometimes he will improve and beat you.
The outcome isn't the same whether you call or shove in the long run. When you shove, you remove alot of villains potential to realize his equity.

When you call, and check river, villain will check back with a lot of his missed hands and low value hands. Your Aces are only good for bluff catching now, you are pot committed, and only have essentially top pair in a 3bet pot on the river and cant fold to a river bet.
Folding the turn is ok, especially because of the trap you are in on almost every river.

Your point 4) is invalid when you are this short in chips. You are trying to play pot control but even with the small bets he made on the turn and river, when you check called both, you were left with 4bb.

Your though process overall makes a lot of sense if you are really deep stacked in a tournament or playing a cash game.

Thank you very much for such an in depth analysis! I feel, that these kinds of conversations are improving my game a ton.
 
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9600 pre. Bet small on the flop. I'm assuming you have some bluffs here to balance (if you don't then flat pre) and we also need to balance our flop betting range with some value hands since you aren't going to be checking your bluffs on this flop. Rest of hand looks fine.
 
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Although there is some merit in checking to the villain on the flop i would lean more towards betting to figure out where i am in the hand. but the turn is a clear shove to me because of the fact that you possibly could get called by worse considering yours and villains stack to pot ratio. he could feasibly just cross his fingers and call with a flush draw and the fact that the only hands that i would assume villain could have that beat you are pocket 55 and a king which is not very many combinations. calling here simply gives villain good odds to continue while overcommiting yourself to the pot. i definetely think the trn is the time to stop slowplaying because if you just flat you give him a cheap card to improve and pretty much have to call any river bet
 
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you have to punish him on turn if you think he has a FD. Either bet big or if you know hes going to continue to bet, check-raise. but id rather bet big
 
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Villain was new to the table, VPIP 40 over 6 hands.
Very interesting and difficult hand in my opinion..here are my thoughts..
Preflop: i would 3bet around 9,5-9,72K chips..

Flop:I think your check is fine..you do range protection and you cover your 3bet range from TT+ till your top kings (KQs,AKo,AKs,)..Aces in this flop is not ur top nutted range,you have much better hands on ur range.With the nutted range,you would check with a frequency and you would lead bet with a frequency..Villain checks back

Turn:i would also tend to check/shove the turn but the main problem is villain's sizing..and i will explain what i mean..If you check/shove after his 1/2 bet,villain will need 23% equity to call..His range as i calculate contains the following hands..
(QQ-88, 66, AdAh, KdKc, 7d7h, 7d7s, 7h7s, 5d5s, 5d5c, 5s5c, AdKd, AhQh, KdQd, KcQc, AhJh, KdJd, KcJc, QhJh, AhTh, KdTd, KcTc, QhTh, JhTh, Ah9h, Kd9d, Kc9c, Qh9h, Jh9h, Th9h, Ah8h, 9h8h, Ah7h, 8h7h, Ah6h, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ah4h, Ad3d, Ah3h, Ad2d, Ah2h, AdKc, AhKd, AhKc, AdQh, AdQs, AdQc, AhQd, AhQs, AhQc, AdJh, AdJs, AdJc, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AdTh, AdTs, AdTc, AhTd, AhTs, AhTc, Ad9h, Ad9s, Ad9c, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ah9c, Ad8h, Ad8s, Ad8c, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah8c, Ad7h, Ad7s, Ah7d, Ah7s, KdQh, KdQs, KdQc, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, KdJh, KdJs, KdJc, KcJd, KcJh, KcJs)..sorry if its not easy for read but with few words it contains flush draws that can open UTG,pocket pairs,(i put even 66 inside as you check both flop and turn,he might fire as he doesnt fear of 7 on flop,but he fears the overcard on river),Kx+ which are not removed from board and belong to his range and some Ax o+ that can open because we dont know what kind of player he is,and decide to bluff on turn..All this range against your Aces on turn have equity 28,61%..so if he isnt some maniac who has open total trashes UTG and called 3bet and make the previous range much wider,its +EV for him to call ur shove on turn..If u call,as Dwarf said,you will be pot committed on river ..so fold on turn?hmm really dont know and its too nitty..maybe call,and if a brick comes on river,adjust the situation..
 
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Preflop you should 3bet more (9600). Flop not good for both players, but better you should bet 50% of pot (8500). Turn very bad too, because he have flush-draw, i think he don't fold his flush draw even you go allin on turn. If you don't care a lot of this tournament you could try to re-raise allin turn and hope he fold his flush draw.You played very passive, don't slowplay AA.
 
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I think I would bet on the turn he did but it is questionable as it might surprise him
 
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By 3-betting so small you put yourself in bad spot as it's harder to narrow down his range. If you would 3-bet more then you could exclude him having K, except AK, but the probabilty of that is very small. As played I think the best play is to bet turn and pray that he has medium pair or air.
 
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