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$580 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked Rebuy: WSOP Hollywood Seminole Hard Rock Florida $580 Event 1A

Here's the only hand I believe is worth mentioning from the 11 levels of play at Event 1A. I got 2 decent pocket pair :ac4: , :ad4: and :qs4: , :qc4: but played pretty standard and didn't win or loose a significant amount with either hand. Received small pocket pairs but flop on those were, well kind of a flop.

NOTE: To all players that are thinking of playing live poker tournaments: When someone is a pro it means they only play poker for a living, it doesn't mean they are any good at it, it just signifies they have the means to play.

Level 2: 50/100

seat one: SB: Loose Aggressive: played maybe 25 to 28 percent of hands:)

seat two: BB: Villain #1: 45K Loose Aggressive: played about 20 to 25 percent of hands:)

seat three: Manic/calling station: wish I was hitting against him:):):)

seat four: Tight semi-aggressive: played few hands when he had something ya knew.:)

seat five: Loose passive: but didn't really get a read on this guy:confused:

seat six: Loose Passive Aggressive: would play some hands passively, I mean calling all the way down with a mid pair, others he would play aggressive. :(:):confused:(

seat seven: Hero:D 15.5K

seat 8: Villain #2: 9.8K I believe this was a Pro as well:( , very aggressive, bluffed lots.

seat 9: Button: Pro: loose Aggressive


seat 3 and 6 limp

Hero looks down at :9c4: , :9h4: and raises to 550, 3 X BB plus one BB for each limper plus the small blind.

Villian #2 raises to 1050

Villian #1 Calls

seats 3 and 6 fold

Hero calls

Pot: 3400

Flop :6c4: , :ks4: , :3d4:

Villain #1 checks
Hero Checks to raiser

Villian #2 Bets 2K

Villain #1 calls

Hero calls: Rainbow, only one over card thought it was worth the effort

Pot: 9400

Turn card :jd4:

Villain #1 check

Hero Check

Villain #2 bets 2K

Villain #1 calls

Hero calls: By continuing to bet Villain #2 has polarized his hand in my eyes. He either has the nuts or has nothing. By Villain #1 calling I'm putting him on Top pair top kicker, two pair, more unlikely, but still possible as loose as he was is a straight or flush draw.

Pot: 15400

River card :9d4:

Villain #1 checks

Hero: ???

My analysis of the players themselves are pretty accurate as I actually keep notes and write them down during break and I played with these guys for almost a full 5 hours. Granted this was only 45 minutes into the game but the loose aggressive players really stuck out even by that time.

What do ya guys think. the board completed the straight and a flush draw and the :9d4: was obviously not the 9 I wanted to come out.

Will post final results in about a week.
 
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Pre-flop: You raised to 5.5x and an aggressive opponent (perceived image) 3-bets from CO to 10.5x. I'm still not sure how to range him on just the read that he's an aggressive opponent.

Then, Villain1, another loose aggressive opponent, flats 3-bet from BB. Uh-oh, this must have been alarming. For a loose aggressive opponent to 3-bet/4-bet is normal, but what range does he flats a 3-bet from BB? Against two opponents, possibly and given the fact that he's not even closing the action.

Flop: K63 rainbow
Action goes Check/check/bet/call.
If the pre-flop action wasn't giving you a strong indication that you're in trouble. The flop does.
Even if the flop is just one over-card, rainbow board, what are you hoping for on the turn? You're up against two players who would make your life hell.

Personally, I would have folded here.

River: Check/call. That's the only option, the way you played it.
 
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Pre-flop: You raised to 5.5x and an aggressive opponent (perceived image) 3-bets from CO to 10.5x. I'm still not sure how to range him on just the read that he's an aggressive opponent.


It's hard to put all info on players I collect at the table. If I did it would be a short story instead of a thread, however, here is more info on CO villain.

The gentleman had already gone to multiple showdowns where both opponents had to show hole cards. On at least 3 occasions this individual had just high card, and once it wasn't so high just 3 barrel bluffs. On 4 occasions he had high or mid pair, once showed Pocket Kings. When I played against this guy I could count on him playing ~30 to 35% of hands.

The table was a very loose table as most were loose aggressive. When at a table with play styles polarized to one side, an astute player will play the opposite of that and aggressive.

Then, Villain1, another loose aggressive opponent, flats 3-bet from BB. Uh-oh, this must have been alarming. For a loose aggressive opponent to 3-bet/4-bet is normal, but what range does he flats a 3-bet from BB? Against two opponents, possibly and given the fact that he's not even closing the action.

Villain #1: or the BB would play any suited cards of any range. if he got mid/top pair he'd call to the end, he would raise with two pair or better. Seemed to be a straightforward player. If his opponent showed any weakness he would fire a bullet to see where he stands on the turn, in any position, if not raised he may fire a second, if raised he may call ~65% of the time or raise but rarely fold to the other loose players.

Flop: K63 rainbow
Action goes Check/check/bet/call.
If the pre-flop action wasn't giving you a strong indication that you're in trouble. The flop does.
Even if the flop is just one over-c ard, rainbow board, what are you hoping for on the turn? You're up against two players who would make your life hell.

Personally, I would have folded here.

K63 rainbow, as stated, is a very very dry flop, and I liked it with my Pocket 9's, with but a single over card on the board made me like it all the more in this situation.

I'm sorry but trouble wasn't my reaction nor my thoughts with this hand. Was I beat? Do I have showdown value? I think at the time I was unsure at that moment as to the first question, as to the second, I believe I had a great bluff catcher.

River: Check/call. That's the only option, the way you played it.

For the record, never stated how I played the river, but I will reveal soon.

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It's hard to put all info on players I collect at the table. If I did it would be a short story instead of a thread, however, here is more info on CO villain.
True. But the only reason I asked or was having trouble was because you said they're PRO, which means that either you've a long history of playing with them or just know that they're regulars on the circuits. Either way, their range can go from one extreme to another just based on that one single fact.

The gentleman had already gone to multiple showdowns where both opponents had to show hole cards. On at least 3 occasions this individual had just high card, and once it wasn't so high just 3 barrel bluffs. On 4 occasions he had high or mid pair, once showed Pocket Kings. When I played against this guy I could count on him playing ~30 to 35% of hands.
So, this Villain is the loose-aggressive one.

The table was a very loose table as most were loose aggressive. When at a table with play styles polarized to one side, an astute player will play the opposite of that and aggressive.
Completely agreed, unless you want them to know that you're not a pushover, which is what you tried on this particular hand, it seems. :)

Villain #1: or the BB would play any suited cards of any range. if he got mid/top pair he'd call to the end, he would raise with two pair or better. Seemed to be a straightforward player. If his opponent showed any weakness he would fire a bullet to see where he stands on the turn, in any position, if not raised he may fire a second, if raised he may call ~65% of the time or raise but rarely fold to the other loose players.
So, he's not that aggressive. Seems like the Calling Station mixed with a hint of "let-me-find-out-where-I-stand" kind.

I'm sorry but trouble wasn't my reaction nor my thoughts with this hand. Was I beat? Do I have showdown value? I think at the time I was unsure at that moment as to the first question, as to the second, I believe I had a great bluff catcher.

For the record, never stated how I played the river, but I will reveal soon.

Regards,
GiGiCat:)
I see.

I never analyze hands based on outcome, would be okay to see the results, but doesn't concern me that much. I'll give my opinion on the hand in the next post, this has become too lengthy. :)
 
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My Opinion: Breaking down the hand

Reads: Villain#1 is loose-passive, and gets active only when feels weakness in opponent
Villain#2 is loose-aggressive.

Pre-Flop
Action: You raise/Villain#2 3-bets/Villain#1 Flat calls 3-bet from BB/???

Villain#1 range: {Any pair under TT, Suited Ace, Off-suit Ace, Suited/Unsuited Broadways, Suited Connectors/one-gappers, Unsuited connectors}
Villain#2 range: {Any two random card}

So, calling here is the right call IMO. Keeps the bluffs in while protecting us against better hands.

Flop K63 rainbow
Action: Check/Check/Bet/Call/???

As you've pointed out Villain#1 would call down any pair, draw and Villain#2 would bet with or without any piece of the flop, I would call here too.

Turn J; giving flush draw and straight draw
Action: Check/Check/Bet/Call/???

Call: If your plan of action was to call down any river, then sure this is the way to go.
Remember, I'm not cutting down either Villain#2's range.
Villain#1 {6x, 3x, Kx, 54, 74, 75, 42, Jx, some flush draw}

Here my strategy would have differed, I would have lead the turn (this is not based on the fact that you rivered a 9). This is based on the fact that K or J forms a very small portion of either Villain's range. And their range picked up additional equity with the draws. If I get re-raised, I can easily let go.

River 9; giving you set, while completing straight & flush
Action: Check/???

I would lead here, and a considerable portion, like 5K. Reasoning:
1. Villain#2 would put a lot of pressure with or without the completed draws.
2. When I lead, I get to set the price. Getting paid by a K or J, even by some random small pair by Villain#1. If I get re-raised, I have no other option but to fold. But the play would have saved you the trouble of having to decide whether to call the potential big river bet.

That's my take on the hand. Hope it makes sense. :)
 
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Only one of them in the hand that was a pro, and that was on the button.

Villain 1 or BB was very aggressive at times and passive others but was aggressive more times than not as he was hitting well. This hand he was playing passive.

I believe your second analysis was great and very similar to my own at the time!

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Flop and Turn are easy fold, call pre is fine.
 
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Flop and Turn are easy fold, call pre is fine.

So since you would have folded on the flop or turn then you don't have an opinion on the river? Which means you'd never put yourself in such a situation? I was in the hand at least to that point, I'm wondering what others would do in a similar situation if they find themselves in such.

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outcome

Will post final results in about a week.

Well it's been about a week and as promised here are the results.

I knew that both players were very loose as stated in original post!

That the BB blind villain didn't hem haw around much when putting calls in the pot during this hand, and I saw him with either flopping mid-pair or maybe bottom two pair at best, because he was not raising as he did previous hands when he had better.

The CO was just plane loose aggressive on the verge of Maniac however I believe his hand hit the flop or he had small to mid pocket pairs. So I'm putting him on a decent bluff catcher. He had only 5.8 K in chips left by the river, which was ~ a third of the pot and would be a big win for him.

As the flop was a rainbow I didn't put either on a flush draw after CO put in a 2/3 pot bet and it was called by the BB.

Knowing all this crap before the River card hit the board, I was going to fold to any aggression on the River if I didn't hit a 9. But I hit a 9, and here's my thought process after that:

I was sure neither villain had a flush which meant that the only hands that beat me was any Q/10 except I didn't believe a flush was out there so didnt' Q/10 of diamonds was a possibility. Pocket Kings: highly unlikely as IMO the CO would have went all in on the flop with this hand and the BB would have raised pre-flop if he had them. Pocket Jacks again highly unlikely IMO, the CO: he would have gone all in on the Turn with this and the BB would have raised pre-Flop with this hand.

So IMO at the time of play I had the best hand out of the three of us and I wanted to maximize chips.

Close to 45 sec of tanking, I shoved all in.

The CO tanked, looked at this cards, tanked, looked at his cards. I thought: "just put them in already" and he folded.

The BB looked at his cards, tanked for about 45 seconds, got out the 7.2 K in chips I bet, played with them, tanked, looked at his cards and folded

Damn it man:mad:

o well, that's the way it goes

Regards,
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