$.55 NLHE MTT Turbo: Thoughts Pre-flop and Flop

NHequalsFU

NHequalsFU

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 14, 2005
Total posts
825
Chips
0
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 50/100 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


BTN: 66.05 BB (VPIP: 19.67, PFR: 15.52, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, hands: 61)
SB: 38.8 BB
BB: 11.6 BB
UTG: 31.01 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 2.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
UTG+1: 12.15 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (MP): 39.25 BB
CO: 29.1 BB


7 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has J J


fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.5 BB


Flop: (16.2 BB, 2 players) T 6 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 32.15 BB and is all-in


Should I 4-bet pre?
Should I lead this flop?
Is check/raising like I did bad?
Are we getting rid of JJ ever here on flop?
 
Q

quant1986

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 22, 2018
Total posts
599
Awards
1
Chips
2
1. I don't like this option as your stack size is not deep enough for maneuver post-flop but it should get villain to fold speculative hands or middle pairs so it is viable and be prepared to fold jacks if get re-raised or flat-called.

2. Perhaps may get all AT+/JT/nuts to call and weaken your checking ranges due to donk betting so not advisable

3. Check-raising is a best option here to me but size should be 12BB-15BB as 32.15BB forces villain to play perfectly i.e fold AT+, JT but call with 77/TT,QQ+ and 67 or 89)

4. Yes, ready to give up if villain call your check-raise unless you have a read he is bluffing

Anyway, tough spot, I may have re-jammed pre-flop in early stage low buy in MTT, especially turbo
 
alienat3d

alienat3d

easy-going alien grinder
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 3, 2017
Total posts
2,954
Awards
14
Chips
50
A strong hand and nice flop too, especially, when we see, that villain ain't that loose at all with his 20VPIP after 61 hands. So he plays quite reasonable, could be even a reg. And his re-raise pre looks like his range is pretty narrow. But there are still a lot of AK, AQ, AJ (well AJ less, as we are blocking Jacks ^^) and even KQ maybe.. Because he is on BU. So pre-flop looks good to me. On a flop i tend to agree with quant1986, i would check-min. raise too rather than shove. Simply because we are so much more often ahead on such flop against pretty tight villain and hoping he come for fishing the turn with AK, AQ, AJ or KQ, just to find himself pot committed later. And he would call a shove only with better hand or something with Ten, but i hardly can put him a hand like AT or KT, as he played on pre-flop. Well ATs maybe.. but it's pretty big luck for us then. However considering all those, JJ is not a hand to get away from, even if he shows us QQ+ on a Showdown..
 
A

AlexTheOwl

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 22, 2017
Total posts
860
Chips
0
Solid analysis by quant, but I don't mind the all-in check raise on the flop.

Villain has been tight, but he's got the button and a big chip lead at this table. His 3-bet range pre could be fairly wide.


At this buy-in, where even tight pre-flop players often do not fold enough post-flop, I think there is a good chance the villain calls 6 to 8 BB to continue in what is already a large pot if he has overcards or a ten - in other words, most of his range.


Although that would be a mistake by the villain, it would be difficult for the hero to capitalize on that mistake.


No matter what cards come on the turn or river - except for a J - it will hard for the hero to make or call a bet after the flop. There will be 40 or more BB in the pot, and 27 or less BB in the hero's stack if the villain calls a 12-15BB raise on the flop. Hero will have invested a lot of chips into a hand to which he is not committed.


The all-in 3-bet on the flop prevents this problem, and denies the opponent equity.
 
D

Dwarf

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Dec 19, 2016
Total posts
245
Chips
0
Unless your opponent is a gambler; You're only getting called here by better.

However, its not a check raise for value.

Then again, will you want to find an AKQ on the turn and river?

I think the right play is bet the flop. If you are faced with a raise, then fold.
 
ZenGreen

ZenGreen

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 4, 2018
Total posts
607
Chips
0
If you 4bet to 20bb but Im not excited calling off here and, you can easily get it all in on the flop. For stack sizes, calling is fine preflop. On the flop Im just calling that 6bb and lets see what develops. The main thing here is that you have a hand so you dont need to be using overcards as bluff cards.


If the turn is under, I will lead on the turn to prevent it being checked thru and lead on the river.

If over cards start appearing, I will probably lead a street and x/c the other
 
A

andreii955

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Total posts
447
Chips
0
Strong hand but ,you're raise preflop is too small, is a good position for 89suited but maybe he make set...
 
NHequalsFU

NHequalsFU

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 14, 2005
Total posts
825
Chips
0
Strong hand but ,you're raise preflop is too small, is a good position for 89suited but maybe he make set...


2.5x seems like a pretty standard open size.

Why should it be more?

He 3-bet pre-flop so I'm not putting him on 89suited or small pair like 66 or 77.

Possibly 10s could be played this way.

Looking back I like jamming pre or lead/folding flop.
 
NHequalsFU

NHequalsFU

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 14, 2005
Total posts
825
Chips
0
Villain had AA here.

I think I should either be jamming pre or lead/folding with me leaning towards lead/folding this flop and saving me chippies for a better spot pre.
 
A

Ambur

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 14, 2015
Total posts
441
Chips
0
lead/folding with me leaning towards lead/folding this flop

As i understand (as played) you want to b/f on flop, why ?


I mean u would be investing aprox. 1/3 on that hand by betting the flop and villain range will still be polarized. Imo
 
NHequalsFU

NHequalsFU

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 14, 2005
Total posts
825
Chips
0
As i understand (as played) you want to b/f on flop, why ?


I mean u would be investing aprox. 1/3 on that hand by betting the flop and villain range will still be polarized. Imo


If I lead a small amount and get raised on that board off of a 3-bet pre I can safely assume I'm beat and fold.

If villain just smooth calls then I can shut down unimproved on the turn.

Maybe Check/Calling flop then shutting down unimproved accomplishes same thing.

I just really hate these spots for those reasons.
 
A

Ambur

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 14, 2015
Total posts
441
Chips
0
Well some thoughts....Opponent has position plus huge stack compared others plus TAG player (sample is 61 hands, but can assume tendensy)- if im taking all this into account villain 3bet range is really polarized and because of that plus my (hero) hand is strong preflop hand but semi-strong postflop hand against villain 3bet polarized range plus no position and stack size is minimal for good postflop play after preflop action which we have seen so far. Well most of the time i just bet/jam it in on preflop but another possible way is to b/c preflop and give a betting lead to villain, this situation somehow will show your strenght but does not give much information away what hand you could possibly have since your range is also polarized (i mean not defined well enough). I would pick line on flop check/call since this looks much more stronger and does not really commit completly into pot (well it does commit but compared on other chips stack you still have healthy stack). Well on turn i would just check/fold if my hand does not improve most of time.


But i prefer to go for b/jam (with information provided) on preflop vs TAG and LAG. Well i would pick line on preflop b/c when i can assume my opponent is a nit. imo

Thanks for posting the hand...

55 cents.... can not expect nothing :D
 
Last edited:
Top