$.55 NLHE MTT: Tough Spot...I Think?

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 15/30 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


UTG: 340 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 1)
UTG+1: 334.2 BB (VPIP: 73.08, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
MP: 333.33 BB
CO: 334.67 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 51)
BTN: 330.67 BB (VPIP: 40.85, PFR: 16.98, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 173)
SB: 324.33 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (BB): 318.17 BB


SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A


fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3.17 BB, BTN calls 3.17 BB, SB calls 2.67 BB, Hero calls 2.17 BB


Flop: (12.67 BB, 4 players) K A Q
SB bets 6.33 BB, Hero calls 6.33 BB, CO calls 6.33 BB, BTN calls 6.33 BB


Turn: (38 BB, 4 players) 9
SB bets 314.83 BB and is all-in, Hero ??

Early stages. Massive over-jam. No stats on villain.


I look back and should have 3-bet pre most likely but some insight from others would be appreciated as I'm trying to line check and dig into my game more.


I think I should have 3bet with willingness to get it in pre against original raiser.


Maybe I should have raised and gotten in on the flop?


As played what is best choice with 2 people behind us.
 
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I agree you should have 3 bet pre flop big. However, when you are that deep, getting 4bet and then put into multi way pots is bad for AQo

Raising on the flop is a bad idea (considering your position and number of opponents)

When SB leads, AND he gets 3 calls, you are probably facing a set and straightflush draw. I'd think your outs are very limited considering you could also be playing vs AK.

Folding to the 10x pot jam on the turn is fine.

Did everyone fold?
 
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CO called with a flush draw and over-bet all-in was A5:eek:.

I folded after a tank. I feel it was OK to fold this early but kicked myself a little. He was definitely noted for that play as a "fun player".:heeeellll
 
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CO called with a flush draw and over-bet all-in was A5:eek:.

I folded after a tank. I feel it was OK to fold this early but kicked myself a little. He was definitely noted for that play as a "fun player".:heeeellll

Hey NHequalsFU..I think its a very very interesting spot.Well,here are my thoughts..First of all i would prefer a 3bet by you..AQo 4way out of position doesnt play well enough so i would raise around 16,5bbs.
Lets go on flop..Sb bets half pot..For me his range doesnt have any set of QQ,KK,AA as he would 3bet preflop for sure(also you block with AQ,sets of Queens and Aces) neither he has better 2 pair as he would 3bet AK also..So top of his value range here is all JT(floped straight),Top pair and gutshot with flushdraw such as AT and AJ.Rest of his range can be gutshot with flush draw such as Tx+,Jx+ hearts,some low flushdraws and maybe some 2 pairs like KQo..Maybe he can Bet KT-KJo with ten and Jack of hearts as second pair gutshot and backdoor flushdraw.
So decision comes to you and you call as CO and BU doing same..As played on flop,i assume that BU and CU doesnt have any made monster hand (as sets or straight) because i think most of times they would reraise and not flat..Only 1 monster combination i think they would flat and this is JT of hearts.All the other value combinations, they would reraise for protection as a possible heart or J,T will drop their equity a lot 4way..So turn comes 9 of spades and sb overshoves..this card doesnt change a lot..My thought is this:1)i dont think it helps at all CO and BU range,so i will not be afraid of additional call from CO and BU if i decide to call SB..A call from CO or BU shows most of times a chasing draw..So i think with what SB overshoves.I will not put any random bluff or overplayed hand on his range (even if its a 0.55 MTT and not some reg midstakes MTT) ,so i will put him in same range he had on flop..against this range you have around 60% equity against him and u are ahead..you need around 47% to call..if one additional player calls(from CU or BU) with flushdraw ur equity drops around 50%..Fold to this huge overshove being so deep is absolutely fine and waiting for a better spot is totally acceptable.if i have note that he never semi bluffs and just shove the nuts i would fold,without any info personally i would call because at that stakes(i am playing also micro MTTs) you will see tones of no sense maniac overshoves or bad plays.
PS:4way hands in that super wet spots are kinda chaotic to analyse ranges so i hope i didnt do any big mistake..i say my opinion and i am open for dialogue to hear other opinions :)
 
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I agree with you analysis.

My main reason for folding is I think I can outplay these guys deepstacked and not wanting to risk my stack on marginal spot.


Now I have a note on this villain for next time.
 
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When you watch coaching videos, they love to show you that in boards like this that 2pairs, Sets are all bluff catchers. I used to go on and on about how my AQ is killing this board and it seemed all my arguments or why Im ahead are the REAL REASONS IM BEHIND!!. Basically the hands you think your bringing along have folded and the only have hands left have you smoked

Regardless of what is jammed here. Im folding to because in real games the only hands getting it with you here are killing you and being it so early, I can find better less dangerous spots esp this early in the game

314bb shove in what world is this guy living and the dumb thing is, this type bet is the only type that would be called here. The real hands are going to value you for all three streets.
 
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3-bet preflop. Call here was the only mistake. But since you entered multipot call, then call on the flop and heroic fold on the turn.
 
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A 3-bet preflop would be preferable considering AQo isn't too much fun to play out of position 4ways
 
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A good fold and now you have a note of him shoving that huge amount with just A5.

With not having enough information on your opponent, the fold was the only option, sucks when they show you what they had, but also great to put that note on him.
 
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If I was you, I would have reraise at preflop, you're with 300bb, I don't like to go with this hand with so many people to the flop, In the flop maybe I will make a big reise, trying to spill some hands with draw, or trying to represent one big hand like straight or set, I put the vilains in mediuns hand for their actions preflop, and maybe I could made they fold.

I think on this way maybe the villains was can fold in preflop. But is also important analise the buyn, It's low and there's more weak players, who will play with imprevisible cards, what's difficult to make correct reads. Play passive is bad for you against these players in this position, maybe you can fold yours first hands and make some notes before play.

There's a lot of ways to play the same spot, we have to play attention in so many things in the same time to make the best choice, I advise you to create a good image on the table, and pay attention to the players who will pay more often, and those who will fold more times.
 
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I want to draw your attention to the game SB. Pocket pair KK or AA is not as strong as it seems. Three kolls make it possible for opponents to have a ready straight. On the turn is blank 9, and SB is OLL-IN, excluding suited T10 from the range of opponents. If he himself has a ready straight on his hands, then after the turn he clearly does not pick up the chips. I think after the flop was clearly not 6BB. If something goes wrong, I will be very grateful.
 
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CO raises to 3.17 BB
He has AA or KK, JT he doesn't have, with JT he check.
You fold.





 
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I agree with the general sentiment that we need to 3betting preflop for sure. Especially when stacks are so deep and it's easy for people to make really bad calling mistakes here.

The flop feels close to me. Yes, SB can't have any of the sets, and AK is really unlikely. Plus he can easily put more action in with KQ and some FD's/combo draws if we raise now. But he may have all 16 combos of JT, which is pretty substantial. I'm on the fence but leaning toward a raise at these stakes. We can possibly find a fold if he 3bets flop huge.

As played, facing this jam on the turn is SUPER awkward. I would NEVER expect him to show up with the hand that he did, and with callers behind us making it less likely that this particular guy has a draw, I'd be leaning toward a sigh fold. But I wouldn't exactly hate a call either. It feels pretty close to me. If players behind us can slowplay flop with JT (which at least seems possible) then I think it becomes more of a fold than a call because we'll just collectively run into JT way more often.
 
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I agree with other comments. In my opinion except than missing preflop 3 bet, nothing is wrong with your play.
 
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