$55 NLHE Deep Stacked: 6th hand at table

$55 NL HE Deep Stacked: 6th hand at table

How would you play the lovely KK

#Game No : 8334423830
***** Hand History for Game 8334423830 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $55 USD Buy-in Trny: 47030325 Level: 3 Blinds(50/100) - Saturday, August 15, 16:37:17 EDT 2009
Table $20K Gtd (1732197) Table #3 (real money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: ALFRED_the_F ( 3,205 )
Seat 1: Irasoln ( 5,300 )
Seat 10: YeOldeBridge ( 6,670 )
Seat 3: Z28_RoadRage ( 3,670 )
Seat 2: catjalarsen ( 3,280 )
Seat 7: cojac999 ( 4,940 )
Seat 4: mva61 ( 3,295 )
Seat 9: penutsale ( 15,590 )
Seat 5: with_a_smile ( 2,800 )
Seat 8: yxcvbnm777 ( 1,105 )
Trny: 47030325 Level: 3
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Z28_RoadRage [ Kc Kh ]
with_a_smile folds
ALFRED_the_F folds
cojac999 folds
yxcvbnm777 folds
penutsale folds
YeOldeBridge raises [300]
Irasoln folds
catjalarsen folds
Z28_RoadRage ???

Raise to 1000-1200, or if they've shown they are a nut, occassionally shove.

Yea - I would raise to about 1200 myself. Those seat numbers being out of order confuse the hell out of me - was he in the c/o position? If he is and has been raising a lot from c/o and button I might only raise to 900 hoping for a call.

Yes the HH's from Party are confusing... I didn't even realize they didn't put who paid the blinds.

So yes I was the SB he was the CO and neither of us had played a hand in the 6 hands played at this table.

I fixed the seats and here is a little more...

#Game No : 8334423830
***** Hand History for Game 8334423830 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $55 USD Buy-in Trny: 47030325 Level: 3 Blinds(50/100) - Saturday, August 15, 16:37:17 EDT 2009
Table $20K Gtd (1732197) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Irasoln ( 5,300 )
Seat 2: catjalarsen ( 3,280 )
Seat 3: Z28_RoadRage ( 3,670 )
Seat 4: mva61 ( 3,295 )
Seat 5: with_a_smile ( 2,800 )
Seat 6: ALFRED_the_F ( 3,205 )
Seat 7: cojac999 ( 4,940 )
Seat 9: penutsale ( 15,590 )
Seat 8: yxcvbnm777 ( 1,105 )
Seat 10: YeOldeBridge ( 6,670 )
Trny: 47030325 Level: 3
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Z28_RoadRage [ Kc Kh ]
with_a_smile folds
ALFRED_the_F folds
cojac999 folds
yxcvbnm777 folds
penutsale folds
YeOldeBridge raises [300]
Irasoln folds
catjalarsen folds
Z28_RoadRage raises [950]
mva61 folds
YeOldeBridge calls [700]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 9h, Kd ] "Pot is now at 2100"
Z28_RoadRage ???

I'm all for betting sets, but I think here you need to give him some rope.

So I check. Playing now but will expand more later if it needs it.

Hmm.. I am probably shoving because of all the bad beats I have had lol. But there is definitely some merit to checking and letting him bet first.

Here's a little more...

Z28_RoadRage bets [1,050] "Well, I bet half pot, and was willing to take that pot as it was."
YeOldeBridge calls [1,050]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]

flop was actually dangerous, and I get the feeling you found this out.

With no reads villain could have made a play at the pot PF, but his call of your healthy reraise suggests something stronger than QJ, but 6 hands in, no one can know.

I like the smaller reraise PF,and might even have preferred a simple double size reraise to 600. Then I would have check called anything on the flop.

Villain here could have flopped the str8.

I think with the info given at this point (no reads), you are committed to double up or go home here. I'm pretty sure most of us will be willing to get all our chips in this pot.

I predict you will show us Villain starting with JJ...........

I actually think this should have been in the BBV section, but I really wanted to know if I played this wrong.

Here's the whole HH

#Game No : 8334423830
***** Hand History for Game 8334423830 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $55 USD Buy-in Trny: 47030325 Level: 3 Blinds(50/100) - Saturday, August 15, 16:37:17 EDT 2009
Table $20K Gtd (1732197) Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Irasoln ( 5,300 )
Seat 2: catjalarsen ( 3,280 )
Seat 3: Z28_RoadRage ( 3,670 )
Seat 4: mva61 ( 3,295 )
Seat 5: with_a_smile ( 2,800 )
Seat 6: ALFRED_the_F ( 3,205 )
Seat 7: cojac999 ( 4,940 )
Seat 9: penutsale ( 15,590 )
Seat 8: yxcvbnm777 ( 1,105 )
Seat 10: YeOldeBridge ( 6,670 )
Trny: 47030325 Level: 3
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Z28_RoadRage [ Kc Kh ]
with_a_smile folds
ALFRED_the_F folds
cojac999 folds
yxcvbnm777 folds
penutsale folds
YeOldeBridge raises [300]
Irasoln folds
catjalarsen folds
Z28_RoadRage raises [950]
mva61 folds
YeOldeBridge calls [700]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 9h, Kd ]
Z28_RoadRage bets [1,050]
YeOldeBridge calls [1,050]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
Z28_RoadRage is all-In [1,620]
YeOldeBridge calls [1,620]
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
Z28_RoadRage shows [ Kc, Kh ]three of a kind, Kings.
YeOldeBridge shows [ Jh, Th ]a straight, Nine to King.
YeOldeBridge wins 7,440 chips from the main pot with a straight, Nine to King.
Player Z28_RoadRage finished in 260.

I appreciate all responses.

Thx Z

That is why I like getting all of my chips in. You might have put him off the pot with a shove.

I think he would have called on the flop no matter the raise since he had middle pair. there always chasers like too pay too see the turn a bigger raise pre flop might of gotten a fold pre flop but could have called. and post flop a all in with just middle pair would have gotten a fold less he didnt care but rember that on line betting that when you make final bet the rng stops shuffling too beal next card so depending on how long it takes determines what card is next

Play your set. Pot size or shove on the flop. Make him pay to chase. 1/2 pot bet is just asking for him to continue.

I think the 'minraise' OOP (to 600) is a super transparent play. I'm probably raising to 1200 and looking to get it allin on the flop.

There are 3 good ways to play this hand.

1. Fold pre because you just have the gut feeling you are going to lose it.

2. Smooth call and check/raise the flop.

3. Raise to 750 and bet out 3/4 of the pot on flop. Shove any turn.


You can only do #2 if you have been open raising a bunch of pots early. Therefore the best option would be to do #3 and sigh after you lose.

Or you could always fold pre as I mentioned above

Im_depressed said:

There are 3 good ways to play this hand.

1. Fold pre because you just have the gut feeling you are going to lose it.

2. Smooth call and check/raise the flop.

3. Raise to 750 and bet out 3/4 of the pot on flop. Shove any turn.


You can only do #2 if you have been open raising a bunch of pots early. Therefore the best option would be to do #3 and sigh after you lose.

Or you could always fold pre as I mentioned above

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No offense, but I think this is horrible advice. Why on earth would you fold KK preflop under this situation? A "gut feeling"? Wow!

I would with popping it back up to 1200 pf, that sends a strong message of a premium ppr and villain very likely might have folded. The reraise was too small and enticing, same for the flop bet. Here we bet the pot and again send a strong message without offering pot odds, the turn was unfortunate and the guy was a fool to call the flop bet, bad luck there but perhaps avoided with a larger bet. I think the flop was scary as well and you may have been too excited about flopped top set to see the possibilities here.

As I often say, it is better to take down a small pot with a premium ppr than lose a large one.

I think a reraise to about 1000 is good. It leaves us with 2600 behind and its a large enough raise to fold out junk and get value, but not so large that we're just scooping the pot pre too often.

On the flop I bet for sure, since how often do we 3 bet pre then check post. Id probably bet about half my stack now, so if he calls he can believe he is pot committed to call the other half on the turn getting 4.5:1 and we can double up.

If I played the hand as you did and left 1600ish behind on the turn. I would not shove. I'd for sure check/call since this allows him to bluff into us, while shoving probably isnt going to be called by too many non Jack hands. We arent worried about a turn check check, because there arent many free cards that can really hurt us (i guess if a jack falls it sucks but thats pretty much it) and it might get us looked up lighter on the river if we shove, where the turn it might not have

Irexes said:

Raise to 1000-1200, or if they've shown they are a nut, occassionally shove.

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agree,but i'd raise 999 just to confuse him hahaha..
and the nut part true too.
and if u want to trap call and chek call to river then if no ace or scary things are on the board like 8 9 10 j a,u can raise pot
usually works with me !
*BEWARE
it backfires too

check raise on the flop or go all in! you must need defend your kings set in a very dangerous flop! unlucky on the turn, this is poker! But i think you should go all in on the flop!