$.50 NLHE MTT: Facing a 3b from SB with TT.

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Here's the preflop action.

Villain has an 8% 3b freq.

Game ID: 947138922 75/150 $25 GTD - On Demand, Table 4 (Hold'em)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: Sebastian2323 (6260).
Seat 2: allinon4s (1230).
Seat 3: Hero (4461).
Seat 5: Fastone55 (1275).
Seat 6: robjcar47 (2770).
Seat 7: ryyyga (2925).
Seat 8: Villain (8043).
Seat 9: C-Difficile (1425).
Player Villain ante (15)
Player C-Difficile ante (15)
Player Sebastian2323 ante (15)
Player allinon4s ante (15)
Player Hero ante (15)
Player Fastone55 ante (15)
Player robjcar47 ante (15)
Player ryyyga ante (15)
Player Villain has small blind (75)
Player C-Difficile has big blind (150)
Player Hero received card: [10h]
Player Hero received card: [10s]
Player Sebastian2323 folds
Player allinon4s folds
Player Hero raises (425)
Player Fastone55 folds
Player robjcar47 folds
Player ryyyga folds
Player Villain raises (910)

I don't think there's much to do here other than flat in position although a 4b is not out of the question. The sizing is a bit squirrelly since its effectively a min 3b.

Any views?
 
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I would call and see if we hit the flop. You still have fold equity.
 
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Did the big blind fold?

I think you can call in position or 4-bet but I would probably lean more towards calling. Reasons;
The min-raise 3-bet is a bit fishy, could be a monster as looks like they want a call.
Our stack sizes means a 4-bet is going to be all-in, the sizing of a raise would be ~50% of our stack so better off shoving. Not sure how much fold equity we have here so maybe not that profitable. What's their VPIP/PFR? If they're loose enough then maybe shoving is good.
Table has a lot of short stacks so there's probably better spots to be picking up chips, not sure we need to get all-in here (this could also maybe warrant a fold? TT is probably too good to fold though).

Overall, I'm looking to call and play fast win favourable flops, any without an Ace, all low/medium cards or paired.
 
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yes I'm calling the 3-bet (btw it seems i was in that tourney with you lol) and deciding on the flop whether or not to continue, if it's all lower cards i'm probably calling a c-bet to see the turn but if it's mainly picture cards and villain continues it's just gonna be a fold. typically if the flop is smaller and villain c-bets and doesn't improve on the turn they'll usually give up with hands like AK/Q/J &KQ etc.
 
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the blinds were 75/150 why did you raise almost 3x? i think a mini raise in this kind of blind would be fine makes cheap to cbet the flop in case we miss it or got you pocket Tens as a overpair.

I really think that your betting sizing was a big problem, if you had made a simple mini raise of 300, the villain would have 3bet you in 600 and you would see a cheaper flop.

I play this kind of MTTs and see this happens a lot , a 3x raise in a middle/late game when I saw someone doing this a tag him automatically as fish player. nobody do this for the reasons that I already explained
 
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I called the 3b and get a favorable flop of 9 high.... V also checked.

In the moment, either I was multitabling or playing passive but I checked. I do check against aggressive opponents in V's shoes when I have a higher overpair to check raise the flop but this is not a good spot to do this.

Here's the flop action.

Player Hero calls (560)
*** FLOP ***: [6c 7h 9s]
Player Villain checks
Player Hero checks

OK I butchered the flop but the turn gets fun.

*** TURN ***: [6c 7h 9s] [Kh]
Player Villain bets (1311)

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I calledthe turn and potentially compounded my mistake on the flop.

The V jams the river when we hit our set but there is a 4 card straight. Hard to rep the 8 when you check the flop but again any views? We have 2150 left in our stack and a pot of 7000.

*** RIVER ***: [6c 7h 9s Kh] [10d]
Player Villain allin (5732)
 
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I don't like it but I'd probably call, I just can't see them having an 8, maybe 88 or Ah8h and the 4-bet pre was a bluff and they just mucked up the sizing? Maybe even 89s? Agree these do not make much sense with the flop check. Maybe they've got AK and assuming you can't have an 8? They could have KK, flop check would be safe as only an ace is really that bad for them and the pure value on next two streets. Could have 66, 77 or 99 depending how balanced their 3-bet range is, again flop check would seem odd. Their flop check is kind of weird anyway after 3-betting though.
There's really a lot of hands that beat you and a lot you beat, you don't need to be right here too often with the odds. This is one of the better hands you'd probably have in your range and it's underrepped with the flop check.
 
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He maybe hit the straight, but I would call! Did you call, what he had?
 
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