$5 NLHE STT: AK TPTP in all heart board

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SB: 4,303 (86.1 bb)
BB: 2,411 (48.2 bb)
Hero (CO): 5,327 (106.5 bb)
BTN: 1,459 (29.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with :Kc: :Ac:
Hero raises to 150, 2 folds, BB calls 100

Flop: (349) :Th: :Ah: :Qh: (2 players)
BB bets 2,255 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,255

Turn: (4,859) :9d4: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (4,859) :Ad: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
 
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Gross. I am calling it off but not happy about it. Makes no sense for our opponent to shove a flush here, doubt he has sets/2pr's. This is most likely a random ace spazzing out.
 
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honestly i dont like calling here. it doesnt make any sense for our opponent to spazz like that, but there are just so many hands that beat us that im not going to call off the villains whole stack.
 
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honestly i dont like calling here. it doesnt make any sense for our opponent to spazz like that, but there are just so many hands that beat us that im not going to call off the villains whole stack.



Actually I think this doesn't make lot of sense, I think we see bunch of Kh x and pocket pairs with an heart.

I think his more likely to check shove hands that beat us instead of donk shoving.
 
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even if villain shows up with Kh x we would have 50 or 51% equity against them... if Kh x is our best case scenario, then we arent really looking all that good. I think we cant assume this player is good enough to check shove the flush or straight. obviously he's a horrible player if he's donk shoving so why cant he be capable of donk shoving KJ, AQ A10 or the flush?
 
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even if villain shows up with Kh x we would have 50 or 51% equity against them... if Kh x is our best case scenario, then we arent really looking all that good. I think we cant assume this player is good enough to check shove the flush or straight. obviously he's a horrible player if he's donk shoving so why cant he be capable of donk shoving KJ, AQ A10 or the flush?



I think in a 5 stt I'm calling... in a bigger mtt I would fold cause risk is not worth reward
 
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im assuming hero doesnt have any stats on villain?
 
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this is rarely an Ace spazzing out imo, this is usually a flush draw trying to semi bluff.

we dont have great equity vs a lot of his range here, so the correct play is to usually just fold. However i would snap call this all day long and i'll tell you why.

main reason is that $5 doesnt really mean a lot to me, i can lose this tournament and it wont affect my life in anyway, so it means im much happier taking high risk moves.
if we call and lose we have 50 bb, which is plenty to work with and can easily still win the game from here.
if we win, we have 150bb and can punish everyone on the bubble. and likely win a lot of the time.
this guy does not know how to play, and if he jams here, he's gonna be making spazzy jams later on also, so getting rid of him is a great idea in general, taking his money first is a great idea in general, this concept is becoming more and more important as players get better at lower levels, in the higher levels taking advantage of the fish in the early game is one of the few spots you can make real EV now.

so sometimes it's quite acceptable to not follow the "rules" of poker, make decisions for yourself, if this buyin means a lot to you then just fold it.
 
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Really, I'm folding all day long and here Is my reasoning for folding (All of this really depends a-lot on reads/stats).

1) We have 106.5BBs with 5 left, while TPTK Is great, It's better to keep the CL than waste It on a gamble, especially when unsure.

2) When players make absurd moves such as this, they'll eventually make the same odd spazz play later on, meaning that you have more than enough reason to actually fold and wait for a better spot/when you're 75%+sure you've got the best hand and/or the hand on a pure lock-down (And It will happen).

3) Assume we fold/We still have over 100BBs, assume we call (Which you did) and win we have 150BBs, assume we call and lose we're now down to 50+BBs and that players up to 100+BBs, so It's not really worth giving up your lead In such a spot. To me I like to think more about how a play would affect the dynamic at the table. So to me, really calling this of Is higher variance and really not really worth the reward that you'd get If you're correct.
 
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In these kinda spots, I give the preference to cry folding because you know villain is really bad and you will be able to stack him at some point if you pick your spots well. Tad too much gamble to lose half your stack that deep against at least one big fish.
 
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