$5.50 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked Turbo: Mid Pair from Blinds??

ignition casino early stages of tournament, blinds are 100/200 20 ante
5.50 BI, 10k stacks 10 min levels.
MP has 9.5k chips
MP2 has 11k

Hero is SB with 7c7h and 9.5k chips
BB has 9.6k chips


MP limps (standard raise is 2x to 2.5x for these tournies, any more is suspicious)
MP2 calls 200
Folds to Hero in SB, complete to 200.
BB checks

Flop is 8 9 5 Rainbow
Hero checks
BB Checks
MP Checks
MP2 Checks

Turn is Qh
Hero ??

I don't have any specific reads on my opponents, from experience, I expect them to limp with pretty weak hands, and over fold on late streets.

Preflop and flop are fine. Check/fold turn.

trent32la said:

Preflop and flop are fine. Check/fold turn.

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Thanks for the feedback! My gut feeling was the same.

Yeah it really seems a no set no bet spot, so trent hit nail on the head, anything other than this seems unnecessary

ocbengtson said:

(standard raise is 2x to 2.5x for these tournies, any more is suspicious)

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thats only true when effective stacks are less than 30bb my personal rule of thumb, is 25-30bb is 2.5x and 20-25bb is 2x

if stacks are bigger than 30bb i use 3x as a standard, sometimes 3.5x or 4x if the table is call happy. but yeah, you gays are 50bb deep, if raising less than 3x that deep.

if someone minraises ahead of me that deep i usually 3bet them with my entire pfr range.



as for how i play this hand i would have raised to 1000 and cbet that flop if anyone calls my raise pre. but as played flop is fine, i think we check/fold the turn.

As played, jep preflop is fine. imo

wp if check/fold turn. imo

Thanks, had a few more similar situations, so preflop raise makes sense, and c/f turn is no brainer.

wow, just saw a major typo in my post and cant edit it haha. i meant to say "you guys" just to clear that up.... sorry

Any thoughts on raising pre? If not, whats your cutoff? Raise JJ? 10,10? 9,9? I think I'd flat pre with 77 too, just wondering what hands are good enough to raise with.

Gerb said:

Any thoughts on raising pre?

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In general: I would not raise pre most of time in this situation (note that, it is multiway), you have odds to set mine there. I think raising pre is overplaying your hand, basically blufing, since if villain/'s re-raise you, you are in bad shape in possible mutliway pot OOP and have to fold preflop most of the time. imo

But ofcourse for mixing your game, you could consider raising pre. But i think it is a bad play overall (depends on villains), since your hand is semi-strong preflop hand and plays usually pretty poor on postflop and stacks are healthy. imo

You play it good. Check/Fold on the turn. The flop is pretty dangerous with another 3 players. Maybe you could raise 1/2 pot bet on the flop

Check turn and fold if someone bets, it's very likely that one of three players has a better pair and there are only six cards you could improve on and you could be drawing dead already.

Hero checks. Pretty clear cut situation. Your hand is probably not best and it is virtually impossible to bluff three opponents. So check and fold to any bet. Well played so far. You should not raise frequently from the blinds.

chances are you are behind so two options, check/fold turn or bet/fold. By betting you'll get to have a better read on your opponents and a better idea of their hole cards/range. If they call, you have an idea of what they would have and would give you a sense of if your're behind or not (probably would be behind in this case. If they raise your bet, you'll put them on a hand and fold for sure. Not a hand to commit alot of chips to either so what ever you do dont commit to a pot like this

Gerb said:

Any thoughts on raising pre? If not, whats your cutoff? Raise JJ? 10,10? 9,9? I think I'd flat pre with 77 too, just wondering what hands are good enough to raise with.

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At this stack sizes:

Raise JJ+
Limp Behind 22-TT.

TT is too close imo, you'd get multiple callers by players in position, pot will baloon by the flop, will get eventually in tough spots, won't be able to realise your equity against multiple guys OOP, I prefer to limp behind.

Lerts said:

chances are you are behind so two options, check/fold turn or bet/fold. By betting you'll get to have a better read on your opponents and a better idea of their hole cards/range. If they call, you have an idea of what they would have and would give you a sense of if your're behind or not (probably would be behind in this case. If they raise your bet, you'll put them on a hand and fold for sure. Not a hand to commit alot of chips to either so what ever you do dont commit to a pot like this

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Don't bet. Check and hope for free showdown. By betting you just pour chips into the pot when always behind and villain might have checked back in the first place, but will call you down with 8x 9x

check fold turn

this is a great discussion... I think raising here for value pre-flop with JJ+, AQs+, AKo, and calling with 22-TT, AJs, AQo, KQs.

Set mining vs a bunch of limpers is good idea with a med pair.