$5.50 NLHE MTT Bounty: TP getting min raised by limper

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pokerstars - 30/60 Ante 9 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 83.33 BB
MP+1: 268.55 BB (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, hands: 28)
MP+2: 93.53 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 71.95 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BTN): 80.95 BB
SB: 90.73 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 83.33 BB
UTG: 82.73 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG+1: 78.62 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has Ks Ah
fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 4 BB

Flop : (12.85 BB, 2 players) Jh Tc 6s
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 5.4 BB, UTG+1 calls 5.4 BB

Turn : (23.65 BB, 2 players) Kh
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 14 BB, UTG+1 raises to 28 BB,
 
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There are not enough hands for the stats to be meaningful and both players are deep.

I like the 3-bet PF and am OK with the the CB on the blank flop. Was Hero planning on double barreling the turn is a blank came? I'd guess not. with 70 BBs behind it is a significant hit to his stack if called. The question extend to 'hitting' a K on the flop.


Why bet.TPTK? What worse hands will call AND if the is a call what is the plan for the river? Stereotypical, a check call is a low pair or suited connectors. Villains flop call indicates something. She is either value 3-betting trips, hit a straight or has turned her hand into a bluff. You really have no idea which. It would have been much better to check the turn and call a reasonable bet on the river.


As played the question is, "Do you want to go broke with TPTK on the turn? If you call there will be a 79BB pot with Hero having 41 BBs behind. Are you feeling lucky? What do you know about the Villain having only 3 hands on her?


Flip a coin and push or fold. I lean toward a fold.
 
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Call this and river is another story.
 
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TheBigFinn said:
There are not enough hands for the stats to be meaningful and both players are deep.

I like the 3-bet PF and am OK with the the CB on the blank flop. Was Hero planning on double barreling the turn is a blank came? I'd guess not. with 70 BBs behind it is a significant hit to his stack if called. The question extend to 'hitting' a K on the flop.


Why bet.TPTK? What worse hands will call AND if the is a call what is the plan for the river? Stereotypical, a check call is a low pair or suited connectors. Villains flop call indicates something. She is either value 3-betting trips, hit a straight or has turned her hand into a bluff. You really have no idea which. It would have been much better to check the turn and call a reasonable bet on the river.


As played the question is, "Do you want to go broke with TPTK on the turn? If you call there will be a 79BB pot with Hero having 41 BBs behind. Are you feeling lucky? What do you know about the Villain having only 3 hands on her?


Flip a coin and push or fold. I lean toward a fold.
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Sry but this is just bunch of senseless sentences.
Hero played fine. He can check flop sometimes thats all.


- There was no 3b preflop just a limp and a raise.
- There was no 3b postflop in any street.
- what does blank flop means?
- Push or fold? Why?


No way to fold TPTK+Gutshot to a minraise, that is redic.
 
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Min re raise (not 3bet [emoji28]) on that kind of board indicates strength.
I can't see what hero beats there except for one pair and a FD or ST and FD or some combos of that.
You can call there but you should know that a river shove will come, and you don't beat much if you don't hit that Q.
I'm not a fun of a cb on that kind of flop because V will probably hit it, with any pair, any straight draw and sometimes underpairs will call you.
But since you cbet it I would like a check back on the turn and give villain a shot to bluff his weak hands.
 
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MaSSive_1 said:
Sry but this is just bunch of senseless sentences.
Hero played fine. He can check flop sometimes thats all.

- There was no 3b preflop just a limp and a raise.
- There was no 3b postflop in any street.
- what does blank flop means?
- Push or fold? Why?


No way to fold TPTK+Gutshot to a minraise, that is redic.
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It was a limp raise call preflop, my bad.



Terminology I guess, I'm referring to the turn re-raise:
"Turn : (23.65 BB, 2 players) Kh
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 14 BB, UTG+1 raises to 28 BB,"


To me a "blank flop" is "Jh Tc 6s" when Hero holds "Ks Ah." There is an inside straight draw with a rainbow flop. 6 outs to TPTK, and 4 to the queen. If one assumes Villain has a capped range of 15% or so of hands, taking out AA, KK, QQ, AK (assuming those would have 3-bet preflop. It is a coin flip on flop with the low flop hitting Villains range a little harder than Hero's.


When the Kh comes on the turn hero's equity against the 15% capped range improves to 75/25. The question is, "What range will an unknown Villain check raise the turn with?" Villain has KJ, KTs JT, JJ, TT, 66 all in her range all of which Hero is losing too. That's 22 combos. What is Hero ahead of? Bluffs, the back door flush draw, straight draws, inside straight draws, and single pairs?


Does Villain check raise single pairs, like JJ or TT? Does she check raise AJ? on the turn and not on the flop? I wouldn't. I'd call and evaluate the river. With the Kh & Jh on the board which flush draws can Villain have? AQ is a straight leaves AT, A9, A8, A7, A6, QT, Q9 (now a combo draw), T9, 98 (now a combo draw), 87, 76? Call it 8 combos. Straight draws? KQs, K9s, 98s add in another 8. 16 combos with no naked bluffs.


Leaving in a few As for bluffs my equity calculator makes hero a slight dog. In a cash game its a shove.


The size of the size of the check raise is raise meaningless given the stack sizes. Villain started with 78.62 BB, She put 5BB pre, 5.4BB on the flop and 14BB to call Hero's turn bet, leaving 54 BB behind. Villain's min betting 14BB with 40BB behind in to a 52BB pot behind looks stronger to me than a pot size 54BB AI bet.


If Hero opts to call, the pot will be 68BB with 40BB effective behind. Given the coin flip odds.and the better than 2 to 1 pot odds, I would shove here, expecting a call almost all of the time.
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My point is Hero's bet on the turn was bad. In general when I have the chance to see the river with TPTK for free I take it. Why should hero bet? To deny the draws? There aren't that many. To fold out losing hands? They are losing already, To get value from worse? Maybe Jacks and tens call a street, but they'll call the river too.. In fact they are more likely to bet the river, if Hero checks.
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All of this said I have just started playing tournaments seriously and am mainly a low stakes cash game player., so ...Caveat emptor.











 
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personally I like cbet, but the bet turn with TPTK is very bad, since you'll be bluffing a hand that most of the time will be in front of a showdown. Not to mention that in this phase of the tournament it is not interesting to bog down your entire stack in a dubious hand.

 
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