$5.50 NLHE MTT Bounty: Tough decision on turn with an overpair

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Hey guys, I would appreciate any opinions on that hand that took place in the middle stage of the tournament.
Would you call or fold on turn?
partypoker - 800/1600 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 104.17 BB
MP: 69.32 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, hands: 103)
CO: 33.23 BB (VPIP: 26.11, PFR: 14.85, 3Bet Preflop: 9.88, Hands: 207)
BTN: 23.84 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 25)
SB: 31.76 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: 143.31 BB (VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 40)
UTG: 12.42 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

7 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has Q:heart: Q:spade:

fold, Hero raises to 2.45 BB, fold, CO calls 2.45 BB, BTN calls 2.45 BB, fold, BB calls 1.45 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 4 players) 9:heart: T:diamond: 6:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets 7.5 BB, CO calls 7.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 22.5 BB, Hero calls 15 BB, CO raises to 30.68 BB and is all-in, BB calls 8.18 BB, Hero calls 8.18 BB

Turn: (103.04 BB, 3 players) 4:club:
BB bets 110.08 BB and is all-in Hero?
 
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Is this a bounty builder or normal bounty? What's the bounty on each player? Pay structure, even though you're still away from money, I would like to know them. Starting stack, buy-in, structure, etc., layout all the information.

In general, Bounty Builders are tough to analyze from a purely maths perspective.
 
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Folding to the x/r on the flop. When you bet into this board, another player calls, and BB decides to x/r this is 2pr+ the vast majority of the time and at worst, a flush draw. You are also blocking part of V's draws (QJ/QJhh/QThh/KQhh) which makes folding the flop even easier.

Fold turn for reasons listed above.
 
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Folding to the x/r on the flop. When you bet into this board, another player calls, and BB decides to x/r this is 2pr+ the vast majority of the time and at worst, a flush draw. You are also blocking part of V's draws (QJ/QJhh/QThh/KQhh) which makes folding the flop even easier.

Fold turn for reasons listed above.

Thank you for your reply. Now as I review this hand it looks like you're right, it's a fold on that kind of flop vs this action and certainly easy fold on the turn. Probably I was just too surprised at showdown and got result-oriented with second guessing my fold on turn.
 
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I'm thinking one player had JTh and the other a set with that kind of action. Unless the players were simple and someone had AT. What were the hands?
 
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I'm thinking one player had JTh and the other a set with that kind of action. Unless the players were simple and someone had AT. What were the hands?

I thought BB had 98 giving the action from him. The whole hand here :eek:
partypoker - 800/1600 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 104.17 BB
MP: 69.32 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 103)
CO: 33.23 BB (VPIP: 26.11, PFR: 14.85, 3Bet Preflop: 9.88, Hands: 207)
BTN: 23.84 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 25)
SB: 31.76 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: 143.31 BB (VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 40)
UTG: 12.42 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

7 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has Q:heart: Q:spade:

fold, Hero raises to 2.45 BB, fold, CO calls 2.45 BB, BTN calls 2.45 BB, fold, BB calls 1.45 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 4 players) 9:heart: T:diamond: 6:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets 7.5 BB, CO calls 7.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 22.5 BB, Hero calls 15 BB, CO raises to 30.68 BB and is all-in, BB calls 8.18 BB, Hero calls 8.18 BB

Turn: (103.04 BB, 3 players) 4:club:
BB bets 110.08 BB and is all-in, fold

River: (103.04 BB, 2 players) A:club:

BB shows K:heart: 8:heart: (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 63%, Flop 51%, Turn 33%)
CO shows Q:diamond: 9:diamond: (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 37%, Flop 49%, Turn 67%)
BB wins 110.08 BB
CO wins 103.04 BB
 
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Wow, interesting results. I'm not aggressive enough to go all-in on the turn with just a flush draw and not even the top flush. Thanks for sharing iwont.
 
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Wow, interesting results. I'm not aggressive enough to go all-in on the turn with just a flush draw and not even the top flush. Thanks for sharing iwont.

ikr, i was shocked to see SD. BB was rather aggressive but there are only 40 hands on him and I think I got the biggest bounty at the table, but still, why risk the huge stack we were both in TOP-5 atm? CO's bounty was an initial size.
Had a couple of other tables, I think I didn't pay enough attention to this one, maybe that was a mistake :confused:
 
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ikr, i was shocked to see SD. BB was rather aggressive but there are only 40 hands on him and I think I got the biggest bounty at the table, but still, why risk the huge stack we were both in TOP-5 atm? CO's bounty was an initial size.
Had a couple of other tables, I think I didn't pay enough attention to this one, maybe that was a mistake :confused:

I'm 50% inclined to the fact that there is a flush draw:)
The fact is that this is not uncommon, in such tournaments, large stacks will try to squeeze you out of the bank to get a bounty... The statistics on the opponent shows that he is LAG, of course, he could be lucky and he could catch 2 pairs on the flop... but more often there will be a weak range... top pair for example...)
but of course it's better not to gamble at everything against large stacks...
he could get his flush...
 
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