$5.5 NLHE MTT Rebuy: $5.50 - 4-bet all in from UTG... call/fold?

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Hey all!


This was getting about mid-way through the $5.50 10k on WPN, late-reg still open (one of those annoying 5 hour late reg's, bleh), about 900 people were still in at this time with about an hour left of late reg. I'm slightly above average stack when this hand occurred. Not much info at all on villain.


Call and win results in a substantial stack
Call and lose results in 20bb remaining stack
Fold results in about avg. stack of 38bb


WHAT DO?!



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 375/750 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 58.99 BB (VPIP: 19.61, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 52)
SB: 13.61 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 29.33 BB (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 10.94, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 64)
UTG: 24.21 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 52.62 BB (VPIP: 15.69, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 52)
MP: 78.46 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 20.83, Hands: 76)
Hero (MP+1): 44.12 BB
MP+2: 83.55 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 52)
CO: 80.1 BB (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)

9 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has J J
UTG raises to 2.13 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5.47 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to 24.11 BB and is all-in, Hero ????????
 
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In a tournament with repurchase from your position with J-J against a push of utg with the differences of stacks in your favor, it is a clear call
 
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Im like 51/49% on this decision but I would fold.


UTG open range should be tight and 3-bet range should be even tighter.

At best we are up against AK or AQ. We may be up against 1010 but this smells alot like QQ+ or should from UTG.


I would like to have more info but as is I would sigh and fold and keep my stack for a better spot. I just feel at best we are flipping and majority of the time we are dominated.
 
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I don't like your raise preflop, i think the decision is not to call or fold his shove, is to raise his utg open or not.
It does not make any difference If he 3bets or calls cause he will have slightly over 1pot bet on the flop. If you raise there You call his shove. Or you can call behind his 2.x open and have a little deeper spr. It does not matter what he's got there
 
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I don't like your raise preflop, i think the decision is not to call or fold his shove, is to raise his utg open or not.
It does not make any difference If he 3bets or calls cause he will have slightly over 1pot bet on the flop. If you raise there You call his shove. Or you can call behind his 2.x open and have a little deeper spr. It does not matter what he's got there

I missed villain stack size. Yeah, shove or fold would be my option to his open.
 
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I hadn't even considered a simple call and evaluate the flop, and kind of like that the most. I didn't want to open-shove JJ for 45bb with those stacks (still not sure that's the best move considering the stacks behind me). I knew I didn't think things through when I went "dammit why'd I put myself in this spot" facing the 4-bet shove.


BTW - nice read NHequalsHU, exactly what was going through my head but my 51% ended up calling after a loooong tank and he had QQ hoping I would get lucky and he had TT. I really struggled with it because of exactly what you said - at best what's he got... AQs and I'm flipping?



Should have listened to myself when I said that but my finger decided "call" was more appealing, hahaha.
 
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You are losing to big pairs and flipping against all of the Broadway hands. There are a few medium pairs you beat but there are only 6 combos of pairs against 16 combos of AK, AQ you are racing with. I'd guess you are 50/50. It is early yet and you have a 38 BB stack. Fold and live to play another round.
 
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magining that the UTG is a decent player, must have AK AQ and QQ he can from the flat with AA / KK. Fold and wait for better spot.
 
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With the 5bb I already have in, Im calling this shove. I will still have enough to battle back with and I think this is a mistake to fold a hand this strong. Am I correct here that when you raised pf, you had every intention to go with this han? Youre not looking to Raise/Fold a hand this stong and you already knew UTG had opened. Im never folding here. Because the decision was made when I raised. Now Q4s, is being folded but not JJ. Because I knew I was raise/folding Q4s but JJ Never, flat if you dont want to call off.

But given the option of a redo is to flat pf and see what you make happen. I not looking to drop 24bb if not needed We are allowed to play poker and not run out 5 over and over
 
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Thanks everyone for the feedback! I definitely feel way better about what was running through my head at the very least... you all hit on the things that caused me to really contemplate and tank to the last second before making my decision.


I think now with everyone's opinion, flatting seems to be the best bet since I'm deep and a 3-bet puts me in the situation I ended up in... UTG shoving over the top and being stuck with a real hard decision.
 
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I would have to agree smart choice would be to fold. When someone reraises under the gun, it wouldnt make much sense to do this with a marginal hand, say pockets under jacks or Aj-Ak. However, seeing a flop here wouldn't be a bad idea. See a flop and proceed cautiously
 
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