$5.5 NLHE MTT: KQs SB - is this a spot for 4bet shove for a re-steal? or simply 4bet around 3x?

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$5.5 NLHE MTT: KQs SB - is this a spot for 4bet shove for a re-steal? or simply 4bet around 3x?

Party, $5 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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Hero (SB): 15,094 (50.3 bb)
BB: 7,742 (25.8 bb)
UTG+1: 7,539 (25.1 bb)
UTG+2: 6,940 (23.1 bb)
MP1: 7,551 (25.2 bb)
MP2: 9,652 (32.2 bb)
MP3: 8,376 (27.9 bb)
CO: 12,950 (43.2 bb)
BTN: 7,989 (26.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q
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K
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6 folds, BTN raises to 666, Hero ??

47 hands on villain
VP 19, PFR 11, PAF 2.5, 3bet 0

Hero raises to 15,064 and is all-in, BB folds, BTN calls 7,293 and is all-in

Flop: (16,488) J
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K
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6
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(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (16,488) 5
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(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (16,488) 2
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(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 16,488 pot
Final Board: J
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K
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6
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5
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2
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Hero showed Q
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K
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and lost (-7,989 net)
BTN showed K
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A
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and won 16,488 (8,499 net)
 
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I'm just flatting here pre (due to villain's stack size).. as I won't like calling off to a 4-bet shove.



note- your terminology is incorrect when describing the action in this hand... if you were to raise overtop of villain's opening raise... this would be called a '3-bet' (not a '4-bet'). If villain then puts in another bet (ie. 'shove') < that would be a 4-bet.
 
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flat and try to play small ball unless u pick up a sick 2 pair ,fd,OEFD on flop.


but pre i like flatting here.esp due to villains stack size. Like he might be forced to jam TT and then you dont even get to see a flop cause u might have to fold. I probably would in this spot.
 
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ah damnit i know what a 4bet and 3bet is. can't believe i wrote 4bet in the title...
 
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Just like others said - flat pre-flop. Your stack is healthy enough to see flop and fold if you completely miss, like in this case. Also, flatting could open you some bluff opportunities on turn if villain was holding like middle pocket pair and didn't cbet.
 
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I don't advocate your play with this hand? You could easily either raise to about 1600 but then fold to a 4 bet or call their raise and just play a small check/call bluff caching pot. 3 betting 50 blinds pre will only get called by better hands and all worse hands will fold therefore for each time you get called by better you need 17 times of worse hands to fold out for you to be in profit
 
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yep, best to flat this type of hand since it dominates a ton of his opening range from the button.. you really want to be 3betting only the best or garbage hands vs this type of player, anything in between will almost always be played for more profit by just flatting.
 
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toots babos said:
I don't advocate your play with this hand? You could easily either raise to about 1600 but then fold to a 4 bet or call their raise and just play a small check/call bluff caching pot. 3 betting 50 blinds pre will only get called by better hands and all worse hands will fold therefore for each time you get called by better you need 17 times of worse hands to fold out for you to be in profit
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it's only ~25bb effective
 
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Flat pre,you still got playable stack.
 
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