$5.5 NLHE MTT: KK OOP 3bet pot cbet sizing on low flop with flush draw

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partypoker, $5.50 + $0 - Hold'em No Limit - 400/800 (100 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 104,240 (130 bb)
UTG+1: 51,615 (65 bb)
MP: 49,483 (62 bb)
MP+1: 46,011 (58 bb)
CO: 136,610 (171 bb)
BU: 40,934 (51 bb)
SB (Hero): 50,280 (63 bb)
BB: 56,015 (70 bb)

Pre-Flop: (2,000) Hero is SB with K K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 1,760, 3 players fold, BTN calls 1,760, Hero 3-bets to 7,200, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls 5,440, 1 fold

Flop: (17,760) 5 3 6 (2 players)
Hero bets 6,400, UTG+1 calls 6,400

Turn: (30,560) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets 15,200, UTG+1 calls 15,200

River: (60,960) A (2 players)
Hero bets 21,360, UTG+1 calls 21,360

Not enough history on Villain.
I think the 3bet calling ranges would be TT-QQ,AKs,AQs

Do you think I should just shove the turn?
 
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Flop: (17,760) 5 3 6 (2 players)
Hero bets 6,400, UTG+1 calls 6,400

Turn: (30,560) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets 15,200, UTG+1 calls 15,200

River: (60,960) A (2 players)
Hero bets 21,360, UTG+1 calls 21,360



I don't think I would shove the turn here. Actually, how the hand played out, I would hope to be able to call a small bet on the river, but once the Ace hit, I might be done with the hand. One reason is that the flop bet didn't really do anything to let us know where we were. I was likely ahead w a three bet pre to everything but a set, but the bet sizing made an automatic call for any two diamonds, a straight draw (with a pocket pair maybe?), and two overs. Once the 8d hits, I'm going to try to control the pot size. Check and hope to see the river for free.

As played I'd expect to be called on the river by an A diamonds or a non-not flush.
 
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I don't think I would shove the turn here. Actually, how the hand played out, I would hope to be able to call a small bet on the river, but once the Ace hit, I might be done with the hand. One reason is that the flop bet didn't really do anything to let us know where we were. I was likely ahead w a three bet pre to everything but a set, but the bet sizing made an automatic call for any two diamonds, a straight draw (with a pocket pair maybe?), and two overs. Once the 8d hits, I'm going to try to control the pot size. Check and hope to see the river for free.

As played I'd expect to be called on the river by an A diamonds or a non-not flush.


How many Ax do you think opponent can have here? IMO not too many, because there aren't many Ax hands that can call such a big re-raise pre flop. Put yourself in the UTG position who opened pre, got called and faced a very big (good sized too) re-raise from the SB, it really says strength all over it.

To the original poster:
I would place villain's range on pocket pairs 77-JJ, possibly with one diamond which is why V called the turn. Basically, neither of you should have an A in their hands because not too many Ax hands should have gotten to the river.
 
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I would have played it pretty much the same preflop, flop and turn. On the river I would check and think what to do when they bet based on the size, but would probably end up folding.
 
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Why are we not sizing it up a bit on the flop, so we can jam the turn?
I mean its obviously not the greatest turn with a diamond coming in, but we can still expect to get called by some worse pocket pairs (77,99-JJ).

Flop: I have him calling with middling pairs, FDs, OESDs, gutshots.

Good equity
https://gyazo.com/5efb7ac2aa2efdd9d5794331b5536c1f

Turn
https://gyazo.com/b2ffdff3b3131a873ae84157c17ccca8
I assume calling with at least 77.

He folds 23.7% of the time with his OESD and gutshots and when he calls the bet we have around 34% equity, which makes the EV of shoving 9817 (10bb+!)
 
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I discussed this hand with my mate and we came to obvious conclusion: preflop 3bet is great, flop your lead have to be about 10-11k and if he call turn to jam.no pot control.all we need is to get more from pocket pairs lower and fds.We think it is optimal.
 
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I discussed this hand with my mate and we came to obvious conclusion: preflop 3bet is great, flop your lead have to be about 10-11k and if he call turn to jam.no pot control.all we need is to get more from pocket pairs lower and fds.We think it is optimal.


I agree with Vovan! I find your bet on the flop too small.
 
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Generally I like small cbet on flop, should go a bit bigger so we can jam turn, (8.5 to 10k)
 
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I think you gotta bet bigger on that flop and also showing turn is an option , sure depends about the table dynamic and your opponent
 
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I deliberately bet small to induce raise from UTG+1 and keep the range wide. I could play AK with a diamond the same way.


Giving stack size, perhaps I could go a bit bigger on the flop and then shove the turn. Villain had AcKd here
 
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did not understand: did the villain catch his ace or collected the flush? In the absence of information, the seemingly harmless flop is fraught with many threats. The situation’s piquancy is made possible by the opponent’s ace. It was possible to push right after the flop, but an analysis of the bets made indicates that an ace maniac can go all the way.
 
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