$5.5 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Hero facing t20BB bet on river vs SB early stage

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MTT t20/t40 starting chips t75BB lvl 10 minutes

I would like to have some comments the line hero took, some advise overall. I do not have information about villains.

BU t73 BB
SB t172 BB
BB t55 BB
UTG hero t69 BB
MP t61 BB
CO t77 BB

PREFLOP:

UTG hero decides to bet t2BB with Ks, Kc
MP calls
CO fold
BU fold
SB fold
BB call

FLOP: Qs, Js, Jc

BB: check
hero UTG: check
MP: check

TURN: 10h

BB bets t6.5BB
hero UTG calls
MP fold

RIVER: As

BB bets t20BB

Hero ?
 
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I would bet flop as everything that you beat will be calling. If blinds leads on turn, Im raising turn. but nothing changes the fact that no bluffs are doing this on the river on this board. Paired board + flush got there + the straight you got (and this is why Im dropping 20bb on the river) Im calling
 
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Stack depths warrant a 3BB open pre instead of 2BB. Generally speaking if average stack size is 50BB or more I'm opening 3BB and if it's less I'm opening around 2.2x. You should be betting the flop for value. And you have to call River
 
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I would bet flop as everything that you beat will be calling.
You should be betting the flop for value.
I agree hero could bet preflop a bit more, but (as played) on flop....

You both suggest to lead out (bet) flop multiway OP and if hero bet on flop and villains decide to 3bet, what is your play then?

And i agree that hero has to call river (as it played).
 
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There are so many different hands that villan can have from boats to weaker straight draws. If I get bet gets raised on the flop, Im more than willing to re-raise so ibet about 2.5-3bb on the flop and get raised to 8bb. Im going to now leverage this guys stack by making 23-26bb and this should make villan shove or fold and Im getting it here with KK, I have redraws for a better hand. Plus with flush draws and straight draws all over this board, this is time to get it in before all the bad cards really start hitting. Not jumping up and down here but at least I have made plays that should at least give me the best chance to win

Curious is anyone 3bet/folding making it 23bb with the intentions to bet/fold. I just feel with the redraws that even if I am beat here. I also feel many combo draws will be more than willing to get it all in here

but hey this might just be some fishy fishy talk here. but face facts youre still paying another 26bb to see if youre good on the river (6 on the turn and 20 on the river)
 
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yea, you gotta bet that flop, and probably double barrel in hopes to take it down on the turn. You gave up momentum by letting it check around. Leaving the BB more then enough reason to try to at least bluff at it on the turn. If you fire 5 BBs on the flop, MP fold, and BB calls, then you can check the turn if your not comfortable, or fire out 15-20 on the turn. Yea you lose just as many chips if your wrong, but you're not forced into a river situation like this for the same amount. Cause if you double barrel here, chance are BB is checking the river too you, and you get to see if he actually had it or not. If he does Jam he either has the Boat or nothing at all. You have the blocker for the Straight and the flush in this situation.
 
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Appreciate you guys for your input, thanks advanced.
 
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MTT t20/t40 starting chips t75BB lvl 10 minutes

I would like to have some comments the line hero took, some advise overall. I do not have information about villains.

BU t73 BB
SB t172 BB
BB t55 BB
UTG hero t69 BB
MP t61 BB
CO t77 BB

PREFLOP:

UTG hero decides to bet t2BB with Ks, Kc
MP calls
CO fold
BU fold
SB fold
BB call

FLOP: Qs, Js, Jc

BB: check
hero UTG: check
MP: check

TURN: 10h

BB bets t6.5BB
hero UTG calls
MP fold

RIVER: As

BB bets t20BB

Hero ?
Pre is fine, but generally better to open larger (2.5x) from early position at this depth.

Flop: I like the check for many reasons.

Turn: looks good.

River: Easy fold, either you chop or you lose, and id expect to lose often!
 
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Flop: I like the check for many reasons.


Why? We can absolutely get at least one street of value from Qx and perhaps multi streets of value from flush draws if turn bricks. Are u only betting pure whiffs and Jx here?
 
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