$44 NLHE MTT: Bounty Builder ATs and bluff with fish

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Well, seems you've got great read on the player and you know the way he is playing. However you risked too much here. I think 2bb preflop raise is better so if you didn't hit the flop or get some nice draw, you may loss only 1/13 of your stack instead of 1/8.
The all in raise on the flop was nice based on the read. In fact the poker is about reading the opponents and if you hunt this guy, you made it. Against other opponent I wouldn't risk the tournament life in such position.
 
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First off... I buy a couple books on poker.

I also post Hand Histories (& read lots of other's). When posting Hand Histories I try to post them in a way where I'll get best feedback... so I follow some suggestions members give me so I can do that.

Regarding this hand....
From other player's perspective (although not this particular villain cuz what can I say???.... they're blasted out of their mind after drinking a litre of vodka?? They appear to suck soooo bad that there's really not much one can suggest or say as far as "what do I do here". Think how they're thinking..... & if they're not thinking... keep that in mind (lol).

'IF' it were some other villain (someone who's at least thinking at level 1 or beyond) I'd be thinking.... "What kind of hand would you play this way?" What hand would you be x/c flop.... & then crai on turn. (maybe list some hands you think you'd play this way.... & why you'd play them? idk... )
 
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Raise 2x-2.5x at this stage of the tourney with this stack depth. I guess you can keep 3x-ing in micros, but opponents at $44 will be able to exploit this open size.

Check-call on the flop is good. You're still bluff-catching on the turn though. Unless you had some insane read your opponent was gonna call the check-shove OTT with worse, this is a bad shove. You said yourself 'I bluff', but this is simply a game theory disaster. What are you expecting to fold out that's better?

Eventually you're lucky to somehow get a call out of worse and get the double-up.
 
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I don't like your shove on the turn unless you knew that opponent will call you with worse hands, your opponent played hand terribly.
 
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Hello. What do you think in this spot. On MP2 fish player with too much cbet. How do you play this flop?. When river I bluff, but he call me :rolleyes:

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You showed weakness on the flop. You had raised Pre-flop and he just called. The you checked on the flop and then just called. This inadvertently helps you. The turn comes and again you checked then shoved. Your shove shouts weakness because you bet so much. Luckily you played way better cards than him but you really flirted with disasters here.
 
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First off... I buy a couple books on poker.

I also post Hand Histories (& read lots of other's). When posting Hand Histories I try to post them in a way where I'll get best feedback... so I follow some suggestions members give me so I can do that.

Regarding this hand....
From other player's perspective (although not this particular villain cuz what can I say???.... they're blasted out of their mind after drinking a litre of vodka?? They appear to suck soooo bad that there's really not much one can suggest or say as far as "what do I do here". Think how they're thinking..... & if they're not thinking... keep that in mind (lol).

'IF' it were some other villain (someone who's at least thinking at level 1 or beyond) I'd be thinking.... "What kind of hand would you play this way?" What hand would you be x/c flop.... & then crai on turn. (maybe list some hands you think you'd play this way.... & why you'd play them? idk... )
lol, so true.:D

When I was watching the replay I thought I was watching a micro stakes MTT by the way it was played.
I mean, do we stop c-betting as we climb higher in stakes?
 
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You showed weakness on the flop. You had raised Pre-flop and he just called. The you checked on the flop and then just called. This inadvertently helps you. The turn comes and again you checked then shoved. Your shove shouts weakness because you bet so much. Luckily you played way better cards than him but you really flirted with disasters here.
I don`t like cbet in this flop when low pair. When I see cbet in this, I like call, raise, floating or bluff with agression without my cards. Ofc this when he not agressive play preflop or not 3bet. I wait here with his agrresion, to take the initiative. I'm not sure does play cbet in flop with pair is a mistake?
 
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I don`t like cbet in this flop when low pair. When I see cbet in this, I like call, raise, floating or bluff with agression without my cards. Ofc this when he not agressive play preflop or not 3bet. I wait here with his agrresion, to take the initiative. I'm not sure does play cbet in flop with pair is a mistake?
I don't think a c-bet is a mistake when you raised to begin with. You want to retain control of the hand has much as possible and checking the flop and then calling a weak bet from your opponent wasn't the most optimal play in my opinion. I c-bet on the flop should have been 1/2 to 2/3 the pot from either you or your opponent. Only if I had the stone cold nuts am I checking and calling. Or if I have a good draw I might check call for the right price. Again you checked the turn and your opponent bet and then you shoved. Unless I have a read I don't know I would shove with ace high. But I'm more surprised the he called with even less. I credit both players with playing poorly after the flop. But it worked for you and you got the chips so some thing went right.
 
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Was that realtime money showing? I need to get bankrolled!!!!
 
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I don`t like cbet in this flop when low pair. When I see cbet in this, I like call, raise, floating or bluff with agression without my cards. Ofc this when he not agressive play preflop or not 3bet. I wait here with his agrresion, to take the initiative. I'm not sure does play cbet in flop with pair is a mistake?
The following hand is an example of c-betting the flop after raising pre-flop.
Some of you may ask why I chose to raise such a weak hand from MP and the short answer is aggression and knowing players left to act are tight.

PokerStars - $0.50+$0.50+$0.10|80/160 Ante 24 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 31.25 BB
BTN: 41.03 BB
SB: 54.38 BB
BB: 51.61 BB
UTG: 39.49 BB
UTG+1: 16.27 BB
Hero (MP): 43.73 BB
MP+1: 122.73 BB
MP+2: 66.53 BB

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has J<font color='black'>♠</font> Q<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (13.35 BB, 4 players) 2<font color='red'>♦</font> 3<font color='black'>♠</font> 2<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6.68 BB, fold, fold, fold

Hero wins 13.35 BB
 
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The following hand is an example of c-betting the flop after raising pre-flop.
Some of you may ask why I chose to raise such a weak hand from MP and the short answer is aggression and knowing players left to act are tight.

PokerStars - $0.50+$0.50+$0.10|80/160 Ante 24 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 31.25 BB
BTN: 41.03 BB
SB: 54.38 BB
BB: 51.61 BB
UTG: 39.49 BB
UTG+1: 16.27 BB
Hero (MP): 43.73 BB
MP+1: 122.73 BB
MP+2: 66.53 BB

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has J<font color='black'>♠</font> Q<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (13.35 BB, 4 players) 2<font color='red'>♦</font> 3<font color='black'>♠</font> 2<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6.68 BB, fold, fold, fold

Hero wins 13.35 BB
When you make your pre-flop bet, you make it with the intention of following it up with a c-bet, check-raise, call or fold, depending on the action of your opponent/s and reads(if any) and what type of player you think your perceived as.

I have heard that poker is similar to chess in that you should be thinking a few moves ahead.
 
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I consider cbet when pair in flop, but in this when I see villain cbet this flop, I like playing floating call your bet in flop and the next when you check I play bet and most player fold this to me :)
The following hand is an example of c-betting the flop after raising pre-flop.
Some of you may ask why I chose to raise such a weak hand from MP and the short answer is aggression and knowing players left to act are tight.

PokerStars - $0.50+$0.50+$0.10|80/160 Ante 24 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 31.25 BB
BTN: 41.03 BB
SB: 54.38 BB
BB: 51.61 BB
UTG: 39.49 BB
UTG+1: 16.27 BB
Hero (MP): 43.73 BB
MP+1: 122.73 BB
MP+2: 66.53 BB

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has J<font color='black'>♠</font> Q<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (13.35 BB, 4 players) 2<font color='red'>♦</font> 3<font color='black'>♠</font> 2<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6.68 BB, fold, fold, fold

Hero wins 13.35 BB
 
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Yee right and example this from cbet is OK to control situations. Sometimes I`m afraid that aware villain will be playing like me, when I see this when villain cbet this and trigger aggressive behavior in him :boxing:
I don't think a c-bet is a mistake when you raised to begin with. You want to retain control of the hand has much as possible and checking the flop and then calling a weak bet from your opponent wasn't the most optimal play in my opinion. I c-bet on the flop should have been 1/2 to 2/3 the pot from either you or your opponent. Only if I had the stone cold nuts am I checking and calling. Or if I have a good draw I might check call for the right price. Again you checked the turn and your opponent bet and then you shoved. Unless I have a read I don't know I would shove with ace high. But I'm more surprised the he called with even less. I credit both players with playing poorly after the flop. But it worked for you and you got the chips so some thing went right.
 
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OK I`ll remember that 2.5x preflop. I like 2.5x to 2x when bigger blinds, but OK when bigger BI also this.
Raise 2x-2.5x at this stage of the tourney with this stack depth. I guess you can keep 3x-ing in micros, but opponents at $44 will be able to exploit this open size.

Check-call on the flop is good. You're still bluff-catching on the turn though. Unless you had some insane read your opponent was gonna call the check-shove OTT with worse, this is a bad shove. You said yourself 'I bluff', but this is simply a game theory disaster. What are you expecting to fold out that's better?

Eventually you're lucky to somehow get a call out of worse and get the double-up.
 
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The old 'bluff call'. Love it!
 
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I consider cbet when pair in flop, but in this when I see villain cbet this flop, I like playing floating call your bet in flop and the next when you check I play bet and most player fold this to me :)
At times, other players have tried this play on me and have failed to convince me they had anything.
Other times, I will triple barrel if I have a read on an opponent.
 
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Yee this`s only Bounty Builder. Many donks and fish ;) I recommend sometimes from satellites.

I have been FT on similar tourney, field is not that soft as you think.

As played: Being sarcastic...i am pretty happy to see play like this.
 
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You knew he would call, and still shoved on the turn without a made hand, and without knowing anything about your opponent's range. I my opinion he might have called your preflop raise with A7, A4, or any pair. Also, anything higher than your ATs would have meant trouble. Heck even K7 or K4 was possible since he already called with K8o. Too unpredictable. In my opinion is great that you won, but i think you made a bad decision.
 
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I don't like the open sizing at first. Why you opened 3x in MP? you invested there 10% of your stack, you had 25bbs. What would you have done if you had faced a 3bet shove? I Believe ATs is a marginal hand to call with.
On the flop you flopped A high with no club blocker. From my perspective I wouldn't have called his cbet,although he cbets alot. That's my opinion with what I have seen in the boom replayer. On the other hand you had a read ofc and you used it correctly in this case. I wouldn't have risked my tournament life there with just A high, that's my point :p
 
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Almost everything was predictable in this hand.
 
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