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I'm folding pre.
 
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Fold is safe, but you said he open LP really wide, which can justifie call or jam pre to mix it up a bit since you have playable stack! Nah i will fold most of the time! - You have 6Jo :)

Calling station OOP - never will do! :)

As played: i fold river!
 
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Fold preflop, really trash hand...

About postflop, in flop will be the best solution check/raise like 2.5x, if know that villain lag and fold if we get shove..
 
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really interesting hand i would say the majority would fold in that spot but personally if he is opening really wide i could justify a raise to about $2100 because he will likely fold his junk
 
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I'm folding this preflop also, it's a terrible hand and actually calling is the worst option. Folding is the best and 3betting is meh
 
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J 6 off is a fold for me no matter how many pots hes opening this hand is highly unlikely to flop well so we will never call him. You can 3 bet him but if he played back then you can not do anything so just fold pre.
 
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Agree, folding pre would be the safest choice.

Most likely he has the better hand than us.
 
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I will generally fold this preflop or 3bet bluff with it. if he is the type of player to always flat when he gets 3betted I'd probably just fold.

I defend my BB pretty wide but I like my flatting hands to have a little more playability to them; for instance J6s or J8o or even 68o becomes a flatting hand because it's a little easier to play where a hand like J6o for me is a fold or raise type hand.

However, flatting here isn't terrible especially if you think you can outplay him post flop.

As played, I check raise jam on this flop. Expecting him to Cbet nearly 100% of the time I'll get him to fold a lot of his bluffs which isn't a great outcome but our hand is strong enough and yet the board makes it very vulnerable. If he happens to call us we're usually still ok. If he calls with a better J, then we have the flush draw, if he calls with a big club then we've got the top pair and a blocker to his flush. We're only really in trouble vs a hand like KcJh or a monster like a set.
 
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if we know he's really wide then he's just gonna be a pain in the arse until we play back vs him. Generally it's safer to play back at him earlier than it is later, since we send him a message early to not mess with us. This is a decently profitable situation a lot of players just pass up, simply because it's a bad looking hand and don't understand what is going on here. He's going to be forced to fold to our 3bet a huge amount of the time because (assuming things here) we havent played back much vs him before. He has a wide raising range and that means a big folding range, and also, he's a supernova likely reg, meaning he wont really flat call us at all really, generally they will just 4bet shove or fold with that stack(however may have a flatting range to induce or have a strong hand he wants to avoid overcards with like TT or something.

so if i haven't 3bet him before this is a great time to make the 3bet. Calling is also fine if you have the intention of C/R a lot of flops, but generally you want to do it with hands that can connect with flops and that have value postflop, which J6o really doesn't have too much.

Against a wide opener, having a polarized 3betting range is best, so we 3bet some junk type hands like the J6 and we also 3bet the top of our range, and we flat with alot of stuff that has a lot of value postflop like QJs and such, as it dominates alot of his opening range and we can trap him in postflop situations.
 
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Fold pre. Hand without potencial. When you is in board it this in turn bet about 60% pot.
 
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Thanks for al the great reactions guys. I could indeed fold pre to save myself a hard post flop play. The check raise jam i like the most here and was the best play IF i flat the open. I've been working on defending and calling with the righy odds, and i for sure have it here. But against a supernova post flop it was maybe a bit optimistic maybe.
 
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Thanks for al the great reactions guys. I could indeed fold pre to save myself a hard post flop play. The check raise jam i like the most here and was the best play IF i flat the open. I've been working on defending and calling with the righy odds, and i for sure have it here. But against a supernova post flop it was maybe a bit optimistic maybe.

I have also been working on defending my blinds when I have the right odds. The thing is, while we sometimes have the right odds to flat there may still be better ways to play the hand. I'm no expert in blind defense but the stinkier my hand the more likely I am to fold or 3bet with it.
 
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I have also been working on defending my blinds when I have the right odds. The thing is, while we sometimes have the right odds to flat there may still be better ways to play the hand. I'm no expert in blind defense but the stinkier my hand the more likely I am to fold or 3bet with it.

Yeah very true. I usualy don't defend this crap of a hand and flat. But this time i felt like it and since the supernova would open almost any 2 there it made it easier to defend. But 3betting would've been better in that case.
 
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Best way to play this hand if you want to play... 3bet, and lead out on the flop... You would've won the hand.

By calling preflop you get less respect though checking down is just waiting for people to catch up...

Headsup the top pair on the board is usually the best card no matter on the kicker.

You didn't bet when 3 clubs come out, so if he had a better hand he may have folded at that stage if he was afraid of the board but your at the early stages of a tournament and players don't like to fold unless your really convincing, the 3bet/lead out on the flop would've won most likely... I'd have probably bet the turn as well and check/call the river. Unless another club came out, but even still i'd probably bet that as well due to him not trying to raise for value..

So someone generally just checking is doing a couple things. A. Trying to catch up B. Keeping the pot low... Learn to do the opposite to what your opponent wants.
 
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Big title:D
haha yeah something went wrong there :D

Best way to play this hand if you want to play... 3bet, and lead out on the flop... You would've won the hand.

By calling preflop you get less respect though checking down is just waiting for people to catch up...

Headsup the top pair on the board is usually the best card no matter on the kicker.

You didn't bet when 3 clubs come out, so if he had a better hand he may have folded at that stage if he was afraid of the board but your at the early stages of a tournament and players don't like to fold unless your really convincing, the 3bet/lead out on the flop would've won most likely... I'd have probably bet the turn as well and check/call the river. Unless another club came out, but even still i'd probably bet that as well due to him not trying to raise for value..

So someone generally just checking is doing a couple things. A. Trying to catch up B. Keeping the pot low... Learn to do the opposite to what your opponent wants.

Thanks, i agree.
 
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Villian is supernova and is opening a very wide range of hands frop late position.
http://www.boomplayer.com/nl/poker-hands/Boom/13374818_10859D7431

This is a $4,50 180 Man with 15 minute blind levels.


I think you played it well. Defending the blind against a notorious thief is ok (fold is ok too, but I like defending better at this situation). You flopped top pair, call is ok (check raise is also an option). Turn, River...I think they are also ok. He was just lucky...
 
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Its 15 min. blinds , so preflop fold is best , you have lots of time for better hands.
 
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