$4.40 NLHE MTT: What does the V have?

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This is the first limped pot in such a long time in the game. So my thoughts were, this is a cheeky slow play. Regardless, how should I play?

ITM but small pay jumps. Around 150 left & I was around 82nd.


pokerstars - 1750/3500 Ante 250 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 10.66 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.47, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, hands: 90)
MP+1: 18.6 BB (VPIP: 13.11, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 62)
MP+2: 9.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 12.97 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 19.59, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 101)
BTN: 4.61 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
Hero (SB): 25.59 BB
BB: 46.79 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 101)
UTG: 70.91 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG+1: 12.75 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

9 players post ante of 0.07 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.14 BB) Hero has Tc Td
fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 2 BB

Flop : (7.64 BB, 2 players) 9s Qs 2c
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn : (7.64 BB, 2 players) Qh
Hero bets 3 BB, UTG+1 calls 3 BB

River : (13.64 BB, 2 players) Js
Hero???
 
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Alucard said:
This is the first limped pot in such a long time in the game. So my thoughts were, this is a cheeky slow play. Regardless, how should I play?



ITM but small pay jumps. Around 150 left & I was around 82nd.





PokerStars - 1750/3500 Ante 250 NL - Holdem - 9 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com



MP: 10.66 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.47, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 90)

MP+1: 18.6 BB (VPIP: 13.11, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 62)

MP+2: 9.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

CO: 12.97 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 19.59, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 101)

BTN: 4.61 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

Hero (SB): 25.59 BB

BB: 46.79 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 101)

UTG: 70.91 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

UTG+1: 12.75 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)



9 players post ante of 0.07 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB



Pre Flop: (pot: 2.14 BB) Hero has Tc Td

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 2 BB



Flop : (7.64 BB, 2 players) 9s Qs 2c

Hero checks, UTG+1 checks



Turn : (7.64 BB, 2 players) Qh

Hero bets 3 BB, UTG+1 calls 3 BB



River : (13.64 BB, 2 players) Js

Hero???
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What was the action on the river?
 
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his range are pairs < 99, spades suited something, Qx & probably Jx

check calling half pot / betting half then fold to a raise is my option

umm wait, maybe check folding is the best move i guess
 
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hmmm... it is very difficult to say something unambiguous...
your opponent plays loose-aggressively in comparison with the rest at this stage of the tournament ...
why did not you put a С-bet? you're a preflop aggressor, do not lose initiative... every new overcard gives your opponent new outs... protect your hand!
the bet on the river does not make much sense, because you will have to call all-in according to the pot odds...
on this board I would have liked the line: bet-bet-check/fold... because if we did not beat the opponent out of the pot before, then the river will only strengthen his range...
his range?.. I think the queen is not there... most likely pairs 99 and below, and suited connectors...
 
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Alucard said:
This is the first limped pot in such a long time in the game. So my thoughts were, this is a cheeky slow play. Regardless, how should I play?

ITM but small pay jumps. Around 150 left & I was around 82nd.


PokerStars - 1750/3500 Ante 250 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 10.66 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.47, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 90)
MP+1: 18.6 BB (VPIP: 13.11, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 62)
MP+2: 9.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 12.97 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 19.59, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 101)
BTN: 4.61 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
Hero (SB): 25.59 BB
BB: 46.79 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 101)
UTG: 70.91 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG+1: 12.75 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

9 players post ante of 0.07 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.14 BB) Hero has Tc Td
fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 2 BB

Flop : (7.64 BB, 2 players) 9s Qs 2c
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn : (7.64 BB, 2 players) Qh
Hero bets 3 BB, UTG+1 calls 3 BB

River : (13.64 BB, 2 players) Js
Hero???
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There's so many combinations I can think of that the Villain might have {suited cards, A highs, connectors, broadway cards, one gappers, pairs}.

On a side note, when you see a 12.75bb Villain limping, why not make him put the rest of it all on the table before the flop? You yourself have a very shallow stack. By raising to 3 bb, you are inviting the BB to play and that's not what you want to do, take it 3-ways OOP.
Had you been a lot deeper (effective stack), I would have raised, otherwise its just a shove.

The way you played it, Check on the river and you might have to pay as well (given that he has 6bb left behind).
 
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His preflop range is ace heavy, some suited kings and queens, low pairs, after checking flop he can be calling turn basically with air cause u didnt bet much. I would put him on ace high.
 
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suited connectors, QJ, QT, maybe KQ, low pairs.
He probably shove and You lost if You post this hand? :D
 
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I think we got him

When the queen hits and we bet and he calls, I'm putting him on a nine (J9, T9, Q9, although Q9 is obviously more unlikely), a small pair, and I guess ace-x, but he's so short I don't think the ace high is a call, but A2 can be, and A9 might be a shove because of our weak play in the flop. In conclusion, I think we still have the best hand on the turn.
When the river completes the flush draw, that I don't think he has, because he probably would've shoved it before, and brings another overcard to our pair it is a difficult spot, but tbh I think we check/call. Maybe we shove, because I'm calling if he shoves anyways, and he might call us with a nine afterall, but I think check/calling is best.

In conclusion, maybe shove pre-flop :p
 
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Noob question. Why wouldn't he 3b light with Qx on the turn? That wouldn't necessarily induce a hero fold.

My guess could be way off but he looks pretty aggressive given his 3b% (in the absence of AF or AFq #s). He appears to be slow playing a monster. He's limping in to the 2 biggest stacks in the blinds when he should be adopting a push/fold against them with only 18.6bb. Plus is it profitable to set mine low pairs from MP with just this many bbs with pay jumps happening?

With relatively tight players around the table he's figuring on not getting any value from an 3bb raise. He was probably hoping to 3b jam on the flop if neither of you had raised pre and donked to him. He figures you have a premium hand too and is letting you lead into him.
 
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I didn't post the results.
I put him all in on the river & he had K7s for a flush.
Didn't like this play at all. Shoving pre is the best line to take.
 
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Alucard said:
I didn't post the results.
I put him all in on the river & he had K7s for a flush.
Didn't like this play at all. Shoving pre is the best line to take.
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That's a very fishy play on his part. Didn't expect that at all and glad I was wrong. There's hope moving up the stakes. :)
 
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darthdimsky said:
That's a very fishy play on his part. Didn't expect that at all and glad I was wrong. There's hope moving up the stakes. :)
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actually when you think about it, it's sort of a brilliant play.
Nobody has limped in forever & he's taking a shot at a cheaper flop by disguising somewhat of as a monster.

The irony is he got knocked out with me 2 hands after
 
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Alucard said:
actually when you think about it, it's sort of a brilliant play.
Nobody has limped in forever & he's taking a shot at a cheaper flop by disguising somewhat of as a monster.

The irony is he got knocked out with me 2 hands after
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Now that I think about it, yea. Everyone in the table, except for CO, is super tight. Plus the 3b also gave him decent odds (2.8:1) to continue. Avickter nailed it in his assessment.

This grasshopper still has much to learn ;)
 
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