$4.40 NLHE MTT Bounty: Villains range and decision?

Bozovicdj said:

As the label says, I would like to know what do you put the villain on, and what would your decision be?I don't have detailed stats on the villain, since I registered late, and have been at the table for only about 15 hands.

Hello BozovicDJ ..Well as previous guy mentioned,it ''smells'' trap,but probably i would call the shove..Let me explain why i would do this:
Ofc he can have monsters like JJ+,AK+ in his limping/shoving range but at that stakes its not extreme to say that can have any pocket pair,some good broadways like KJs,JQs or some hands that hit good on bords like T9s,JTs and decided to gamble.This has more sense if we think that he isnt the 1st limper so he doesnt open the pot with a limp-trap,but 2nd limper making trap kinda problematic for his ownself..
But lets say we dont have that info so he doesnt have broadways and all his range are medium to good pocket pairs such as 88+ and AK.
Against that range your AQs have 39.4% equity and when he shoved you take 1,48:1 pot odds(5167:3493) so you need 40.2% equity to call.These pot odds make call -EV IF it was normal MTT.But its not.Its Bounty Mtt..
Here i need to ask what exactly bounty Mtt it was because varies in format and in maths you need to use..But i supposed you played Progressive K.O MTT on Pokerstars..Also i need to know (because it doesnt mention below on your post)the starting stack of players.This is important because it will transform his bounty(2$) to chips..
A typical Progressive KO tournament with 50% bounty prize pool and 3,000 starting stack as an example, the initial starting bounty is worth 1,500 chips..So Assuming that starting stack was 3000 chips you must add the half of this amount on your pot odds(as the other half added on your bounty in case you eliminate him) to see if your call is profitable..So adding extra 1500 chips the initial 1,48:1 pot odds to call (if it was normal mtt) become 1,91:1 or 34,38% equity for call making it correct from maths prespective..If it deserves the risk that deep in blinds,its another subject
PS:I am very curious to know with what he finally shoves..if you can post it i would be gratefull

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Bozovicdj said:

As the label says, I would like to know what do you put the villain on, and what would your decision be?I don't have detailed stats on the villain, since I registered late, and have been at the table for only about 15 hands.

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rikoberto said:

Bozovicdj said:

As the label says, I would like to know what do you put the villain on, and what would your decision be?I don't have detailed stats on the villain, since I registered late, and have been at the table for only about 15 hands.

Hello BozovicDJ ..Well as previous guy mentioned,it ''smells'' trap,but probably i would call the shove..Let me explain why i would do this:
Ofc he can have monsters like JJ+,AK+ in his limping/shoving range but at that stakes its not extreme to say that can have any pocket pair,some good broadways like KJs,JQs or some hands that hit good on bords like T9s,JTs and decided to gamble.This has more sense if we think that he isnt the 1st limper so he doesnt open the pot with a limp-trap,but 2nd limper making trap kinda problematic for his ownself..
But lets say we dont have that info so he doesnt have broadways and all his range are medium to good pocket pairs such as 88+ and AK.
Against that range your AQs have 39.4% equity and when he shoved you take 1,48:1 pot odds(5167:3493) so you need 40.2% equity to call.These pot odds make call -EV IF it was normal MTT.But its not.Its Bounty Mtt..
Here i need to ask what exactly bounty Mtt it was because varies in format and in maths you need to use..But i supposed you played Progressive K.O MTT on Pokerstars..Also i need to know (because it doesnt mention below on your post)the starting stack of players.This is important because it will transform his bounty(2$) to chips..
A typical Progressive KO tournament with 50% bounty prize pool and 3,000 starting stack as an example, the initial starting bounty is worth 1,500 chips..So Assuming that starting stack was 3000 chips you must add the half of this amount on your pot odds(as the other half added on your bounty in case you eliminate him) to see if your call is profitable..So adding extra 1500 chips the initial 1,48:1 pot odds to call (if it was normal mtt) become 1,91:1 or 34,38% equity for call making it correct from maths prespective..If it deserves the risk that deep in blinds,its another subject
PS:I am very curious to know with what he finally shoves..if you can post it i would be gratefull

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Ty for this detailed answer, I honestly don't know the entire math behind odds in bounty tournaments, and am too lazy to calculate it during the game. But I do know it "increases" my EV, more often then not tilting it to the + side. Keeping that in mind I did call and of course got crushed by KK. The starting stack was 5000, and although I don't have detailed stats, I saw this player calling both IP and OOP to see the flop only to fold to a standard c-bet, so I kinda figured his range here is not so monster-like. Guess I was wrong..

I think I can call here with no solid reads.

I dont think AA,KK or QQ should be jamming here with stack size.


You will be flipping against pairs <QQ most times and occasionally will see AK.


No real stats on villain either and I'm calling here.

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First and foremost, villain shouldn't be limping from UTG1 with AA/KK/QQ when UTG already limped before him, it is just too inviting for the rest of the table, therefore a very risky play. From that perspective, I was thinking lower pocket pairs not including TT/JJ, and some suited Ax, since I know that in these low buy in MTTs people tend to play them more aggressive then the hand deserves.

I've played against this player and he does take risks, this is not a monster hand by my reckoning but it is a pair. I,d say 77 88 or 99 as most times he raises with lower pairs and open shoves AK. bht there is a small chance of AA but i think its unlikely.

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Knowing that V is a risk taker, would you call here with AQs, what would be the bottom of your calling range here?

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jrx1908 said:

The tournament is only beginning, the best spots will appear. I fold.

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MoryMorte said:

22-TT most of the time.
Some fishes trap with AA and maybe KK here but we don't have enough info to say that. You will bust him if you call so that makes it more of a call.
In a freezeout I will fold here, Rebuy tourney or Bounty I am calling.
Later in tourney I might fold but that bounty changes EVERYTHING.

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jrx1908 said:

The tournament is only beginning, the best spots will appear. I fold.

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bkkblues99 said:

This. Without any solid stats on the villain, this is at best a ~ 40% equity spot. I understand how some people pointed out the math involving Bounties, but I still strongly agree that the "better spot" argument beats the math, specially this early and with 50BB effective.

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