$365 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked Rebuy: 20 players left WSOP $365 buy/in 2015

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I keep records of my hands so I can go over them from time to time so as to remember my past leaks, blunders, and good calls/shoves. I've got two hands that I'll post in different threads from the same game.

2015 wsop circuit event 2 a $365 buy in and my first WSOP tournament and my first tournament over $120.

I bought in a single time. I had made it passed bubble and I believe that 53 people got ITM.
I never had a large chip stack, it was always hovering around 20BB once we got to Level 17, 2000/4000/500, that would drop to 10 when blinds went up and I win a couple and it'd go back up to 20BB

That is the back ground on the tournament, the hand in question is in Level 22, 6000/12000/2000 and levels had just gone up.

I don't know names so I just use generic:

Seat 1 Button: Poker Pro and chip leader: 1.2M
Seat 2 SB: Unknown: Average stack
Seat 3 BB: Local player Known to me: 56K
Seat 4 Hero UTG: 215K
Seat 5 Unknown: less than average stack
Seat 6 Unknown: second short stack
Seat 7 unknown: 450K
Seat 8 unknown: 375K
Seat 9 Unknown: 685K

the table had been very tight to this point
Hero Dealt: :ac4: , :qd4:

Preflop Play:
Hero tanks for a short time and Raises to 34K
Folds to Big Stack and he calls.
BB: shoves

Hero thinks for a short time and calls
Poker pro: thinks for a short time and calls

Preflop pot: 174K

Flop: :6c4: , :4s4: , :9s4:

Hero: Checks, Poker Pro: checks

Turn: :10c4:

Hero thinks for a time and checks
Poker pro: tanks for like a full min. and shoves :eek:

Hero gets upset :mad: for playing an ace queen off in that position and folds.

Any views on mistakes seen or how you may have played it different?

Will reveal out come after I get some quality replies. :)
 
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When BB shoved, you should have 4bet him to get rid of chip leader I think. He only called and didn't reraise, might have been an opportunity to get rid of him. Also, maybe a Cbet on the flop to test the waters.
As played, fold was your only option I think.
 
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Way above my stakes but I've played a couple of tournaments at these buy ins.
Initial raise is pretty big for both position and chip stack, raising to 26k at about 2.2BB would be better. I was hoping this would deny you odds to call but BB is just too short and AQo too good of a hand. Need to be careful raising when BB only has a few blinds left.
I think you need to be more aggressive though, I think either re-shove pre flop as button only called your initial raise meaning you have some fold equity, I think his range is mostly good suited connectors plus middle/small pairs or a maybe trap with AA/KK. They also may call light thinking you're trying to freeze them out which would put you in good shape, but you're range should be fairly tight here anyway UTG.
You could also shove the flop here, the pot is really important as it's effectively a double up for you and I think you're ahead of BB range. I know the flop is not great for your range but it's not amazing for button either, they can only call if they've hit which is unlikely still. I'd prefer a spade doing this but you have two overcards which I think is good enough. I disagree with a bet that isn't all-in as if I'm the pro here I'd see this as pretty weak and be looking to raise, with your stack to pot size I think you're only bet is all-in.
When you check the turn you're giving up so fold is fine, I don't think you can bet here.
Don't get mad though, was only a few BB lost and you still got chips, just need to find a better spot to double up!
Another note, as the buy in is above your normal and you are ITM what's your goal? Trying to jump up a few positions to cash a bit more or get a stack that can do damage at the FT? I don't think the latter will happen playing this conservatively.
 
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With an M<6 here, I'm open shoving AQo in this spot.

After the BB shoves, I'd be reshoving to hopefully isolate him.

As played, fold.

IMHO you way overestimated the playability of your stack size. You didn't have enough chips to be able to play post-flop poker and needed to just get it in preflop.
The CL in this case is just waiting for stacks of your size to make this mistake of thinking they have some playability. He is in position with shorties in the blinds so he can flat call raises and then put pressure on earlier position players on flops that most likely missed their opening range.
 
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Open 25k pre, 34k is too large considering you have 18bb. If you aren't able to reopen the action after BB shoves then playing the hand the same way, if you are able to then reshove.

Jilly - Couldn't disagree more with this being an open shove spot. Off 18bb in EP I am rarely ever going to have an open shoving range. By jamming it is very hard to get called by worse and imo, we are taking the lowest EV play by doing so. Playing postflop isn't going to be that hard, especially when we will have a huge range advantage vs a capped flat calling range. Hands like AT/AJ/KQ are never calling an open shove but there is a good chance they will flat a raise. If we are <15bb then I see merits to jamming this hand, but at the right table this is a pretty sexy spot to open raise somewhat light (hands like Q9s, J9s, KTs, etc.)
 
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Jilly - Couldn't disagree more with this being an open shove spot. Off 18bb in EP I am rarely ever going to have an open shoving range. By jamming it is very hard to get called by worse and imo, we are taking the lowest EV play by doing so.

I just don't like raise/folding >10% of my chip stack here when I can easily add >15% with an open shove and about the only risk I have is the shorter stacks racing with me. Only hand I'm really worried about seeing here is KK since I reduce the AA/QQ combos.
 
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When BB shoved, you should have 4bet him to get rid of chip leader I think. He only called and didn't reraise, might have been an opportunity to get rid of him. Also, maybe a Cbet on the flop to test the waters.
As played, fold was your only option I think.

This was my first major tournament, looking back on the tournament and my play there are a few things I would have done different I assure you.

You are correct I should have 4 bet or re-shoved to isolate the all-in, or shoved on the Flop so as to put pro through a meaningful Decision, but now know what he had believe he still would have called given his chip stack size alone.

As for being my only option when presented with the all-in from the pro, once he shoved, if I had called, that would have been a 318K side pot, add this to the 174K for a total of a 482K combined pot and I would been set to make the final table:).

Flop barley hit the ranges of either villains as BB is shoving with KJo+ (remember he is known to me and the reason I called in first place),

The Pro I put on a draw of some kind, or suit high cards. The pro I know from watching videos of him playing pairs, and he played pairs of any size much more aggressively.

I believe an all in from me was in order at that point. But I chickened out, my play has advanced enough now that I believe that is what I would now do.
 
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Way above my stakes but I've played a couple of tournaments at these buy ins.

I am a firm believer in a couple quotes by two very famous people

One was said by the original Buddhist...that would be Buddha, and he said "What we think we become"

The second is from a an American Icon...Henry Ford, and he said "It doesn't mater if you think you can, or think you can't...You are right".

Don't go through life wondering if you should or shouldn't do something because you don't know till you try.

If a WSOP or a WPT event is close enough to you to enter a single $365 tournament, and you can save that amount without hurting yourself, then I suggest taking the time and and having the experience. Even if you bust out in the first level (like I did in 2016 in a WSOP tournament with my Pocket A's :mad:, and the only one I saved for that year), you'll have the experience under your belt.
 
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Open 25k pre, 34k is too large considering you have 18bb. If you aren't able to reopen the action after BB shoves then playing the hand the same way, if you are able to then reshove.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one! :p

I don't consider a shove fold stack until I get down to about 8 to 5 big blinds. I know that is low but I have come back from much worse many many times. Too many times to count, I believe in a chip and a chair, and slow ball play. These two styles of play have gotten me into the money many times. Although getting into the money isn't what it is all about, however, you can't get to the final table without first making it into the money.

I generally set my sights on making it into the money and then once that is achieved I realign, regroup and set my sights on the final table. I have made it to the final table many times playing this way, just not at a WSOP or WPT circuit, that is just a matter of time I assure you!:)

As I only play in one to two events a year in both circuits, and placing in 4 so far I think it will happen!:):)
 
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Seat 1 Button: Poker Pro and chip leader: 1.2M
Seat 2 SB: Unknown: Average stack
Seat 3 BB: Local player Known to me: 56K
Seat 4 Hero UTG: 215K
Seat 5 Unknown: less than average stack
Seat 6 Unknown: second short stack
Seat 7 unknown: 450K
Seat 8 unknown: 375K
Seat 9 Unknown: 685K

the table had been very tight to this point
Hero Dealt: :ac4: , :qd4:

Preflop Play:
Hero tanks for a short time and Raises to 34K
Folds to Big Stack and he calls.
BB: shoves

Hero thinks for a short time and calls
Poker pro: thinks for a short time and calls

Preflop pot: 174K

Flop: :6c4: , :4s4: , :9s4:

Hero: Checks, Poker Pro: checks

Turn: :10c4:

Hero thinks for a time and checks
Poker pro: tanks for like a full min. and shoves :eek:

Hero gets upset :mad: for playing an ace queen off in that position and folds.

:)

After I folded the Pro drew back his chips that signified his all in.

The Big Blind turns over :ad4: , :jd4:

The Pro turns over :as4: , :3s4:

The river comes out :9c4:

:eek: frak me
 
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Thanks for the inspiring words, I've entered these level tournaments when they've come up as the experience is great and the opportunity is always there to play good, run good and get a big score.
Just thought I'd give a caveat to my thoughts on the hand [emoji16]
 
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Yeah... this is an open shove really. If you're going to raise then you're getting it in pretty before the flop much always if you have to but it isn't worth inducing with a hand such as AQo, so with 18 or so BB you should just be shoving, increasing fold equity and avoiding tricky postflop spots with AQo out of position.

+If you are going to raise it should probably be a bit smaller, especially if the table is tight.
 
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