$3 NLHE STT: SB vs BB with 37o on a flushed flop

9th hand of STT, but i was already playing a few games with a villain.

888 Poker - 10/20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 1,580
UTG: 1,410
UTG+1: 1,770
MP: 1,470
MP+1: 1,570
MP+2: 1,430
CO: 1,530
BTN: 1,260
SB: 1,480 (VPIP: 24.72, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 94)

SB posts SB 10, Hero posts BB 20

Pre Flop: (pot: 30) Hero has 7:spade: 3:diamond:

fold, UTG+1 calls 20, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 10, Hero checks

Flop: (60, 3 players) 6:spade: 8:spade: A:spade:
SB bets 60, Hero calls 60, fold

Turn: (180, 2 players) 9:club:
SB bets 110, Hero calls 110

River: (400, 2 players) 5:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 100, SB calls 100

Was it too fishy play for you, or was it okay?

I would fold to the pot size bet on the flop because you have 7 high and bad flush draw so if you hit your flush you can't know if it's good or not. Only good thing is that you have position.

Not sure if I'd call either the flop or turn bets, but as played I doubt villain has a flush here unless he's very sneaky. It doesn't make sense for him to check the river once he makes his flush, although it seems pretty obvious that you're drawing to a flush, so if he has K or Q flush maybe he gets sneaky here and puts you on a lower flush that you'll bet. I think you're probably up against a weak Ax most of the time once he checks the river, so I don't mind the bet but it's pretty thin.

There is an old saying: "Never go bust in a limped pot".
You didnt go bust but you see what i mean. Make your life easier and just fold the flop.
Other thing you need to consider is that this early in a MTT or STT people arent that likely or at least shouldnt play big pots with marginal hands.
Also when he checks on the river your hand is more of a SD value type hand as i dont think worse flushes are calling your bet.
Then again people are fishy at these limits but in general you will not get value from worse hands on the river.

Easy fold on the flop. You have a weak flush draw facing a pot-sized bet, you can very easily be drawing dead or close to dead already.

Turn is a call, albeit thin. River I like your sizing.

First of all thanks to all, who replied! Good to know your opinion guys!

trent32la said:

Easy fold on the flop. You have a weak flush draw facing a pot-sized bet, you can very easily be drawing dead or close to dead already.

Turn is a call, albeit thin. River I like your sizing.

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@tent32la, Normally i'm not taking such tricky line, but at that point i felt, that by limping SB he wouldn't have good cards most of a time and my intention was to bluff him out, when there are coming any "face cards" on flop, as i have position too. On the flop his pot bet looked to me like he wants me out, so that meant either he donks with air, hitted 8 or OESD, but surely not having higher spade card, otherwise why risking SD value. And considering his stats, i couldn't believe he would limp with Ax in situation SB vs BB. So i decided to call and eventually make a bet, if he checks. But then it come 9, which brings me a lot of outs, so i kept hanging even after his second barrel. And on a turn i was pretty sure he has not made better flush, so i tried to get at least something from him.
Funny thing, that he showed me 23 of spades, so i was kinda lucky still hitting another spade card.
I think myself that hand was kinda untypical fishy played for me, but on the other hand i think such hands also important for building an image different to your usual. So that others having harder to make an edge on you.

the thing is you have almost zero equity on this flop. you need atleast some equity to bluff or float with the intention of bluffing a later street so that if your bluff doesnt. Id really not consider your spade draw to be much equity because there are a lot of higher spades he could have. limping IMO usually means they have a hand with some equity medium offsuit cards like K9o low suited connectors, weak suited kings, weak suited queens etc..

his flop bet is polarizing. meaning it could be a bluff, but it could also be a very strong hand disguised as a bluff. I very highly doubt he takes this line with out at least one spade. meaning his offsuit hands are going to have a higher spade than yours a lot of times, meaning even his bluffs are ahead of you here. and his suited hands will have gotten there already. if he doesnt have any spades and takes this line then he has no way of knowing that you dont already have the flush, so by taking this line with a spade in his hand he can know its more likely you dont have a flush. so yes, sometimes he does this as a bluff but its slightly more likely that he does this with a made flush and the large sizing looks like a bluff so he knows you will often call trying to look him up. I think villain played his hand perfectly and you got lucky.

tbh i think i like folding the turn as played. its close, but if we hit the spade on the river we're only good against roughly 2/3rds of his range (his low suited connectors) and if we hit the straight on the river we're only good against roughly 1/3rd of his range (his flush draw semibluffs.) so you can weight your outs to find a more accurate equity against the range of hands he plays this way. all your spade outs: 7 (assuming he has two spades) times 2/3 is roughly 4.7 outs and all our straight outs: 6 times 1/3 is 2. gives us an equity, weighted against his range, of roughly 13.5% meaning we need roughly 7:1 implied odds to call profitably here.

this is assuming 1/3 of his range is semibluffing with better flushdraws and 2/3rds of his range is made flush draws that we're drawing to a better flush draw.

im on my phone so i cant use the poker tools on my computer. but i think this is close enough for jazz.

Edit: forgot to count pairs. pairs give us another 4% equity improving us to 17.5% using the same method as above

Edit 2: also doesnt account for the portion of his range that we are completely dead against. all of his K2s or Q3s type hands