$3 NLHE STT: 2much for JTs

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SB: 1,990 (16.6 bb)
BB: 1,448 (12.1 bb)
CO: 2,971 (24.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): 7,091 (59.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with :Jd: :Td:
CO folds, Hero raises to 240, SB raises to 600, BB folds, Hero calls 360

Flop: (1,380) :5h4: :8h4: :8c4: (2 players)
SB bets 564, Hero folds
 
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Well played. Hard flop to float with jack high.
 
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this is a clear fold pre, why would the number 2 stack would 3bet you light without a real legit hand , I dont think he is 3betfolding here ever with 2 smaller stacks.
 
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this is a clear fold pre, why would the number 2 stack would 3bet you light without a real legit hand , I dont think he is 3betfolding here ever with 2 smaller stacks.

ow it seemed no3 stacks but i still stay with my fold his sizing looks strong on his stacksize, but I mentioned in another hand you posted it would be better if you give some addinational info :)
 
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this is a clear fold pre, why would the number 2 stack would 3bet you light without a real legit hand , I dont think he is 3betfolding here ever with 2 smaller stacks.

Just realised his 16 BB stack. Makes the pre-flop decision a lot closer. I would indeed say the 5 BB 3-bet looks like extreme strength. You'd say he'd shove any strong unpaired hand and pocket pairs smaller than tens. Which would mean the odds aren't good enough, let alone the implied odds.

Lord, I don't know anymore. I think both options are defendable. Kinda depends on the player/edge on the rest of the table etc.
 
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Just realised his 16 BB stack. Makes the pre-flop decision a lot closer. I would indeed say the 5 BB 3-bet looks like extreme strength. You'd say he'd shove any strong unpaired hand and pocket pairs smaller than tens. Which would mean the odds aren't good enough, let alone the implied odds.

Lord, I don't know anymore. I think both options are defendable. Kinda depends on the player/edge on the rest of the table etc.

Yes I agree
 
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Preflop is an open shove, especially on the bubble.

In these types of spots, I'm raising 2.1x with the entire top and bottom of my opening range and open shoving the middle. JTs would qualify as a mid range hand here, so we open shove it for 16bb eff.
 
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Preflop is an open shove, especially on the bubble.

In these types of spots, I'm raising 2.1x with the entire top and bottom of my opening range and open shoving the middle. JTs would qualify as a mid range hand here, so we open shove it for 16bb eff.

also in a $3? I mean I see them make terribleplays there and I would agree with you most of the time btw about the openshove, if players are good SNG players, I think vs very weak and passive ones, I still prefer the mr/fold
 
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why would you minraise when effective stacks are less than 16bb? ... youre the bigstack and by shoving J10, it is not profitable for them to call your perceived range with less than AJs or 99+. but by minraising, you make it profitable for them to shove an almost 30% range..

as played you should fold to their 3bet. youre just giving away money by calling
 
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why would you minraise when effective stacks are less than 16bb? ... youre the bigstack and by shoving J10, it is not profitable for them to call your perceived range with less than AJs or 99+. but by minraising, you make it profitable for them to shove an almost 30% range..

as played you should fold to their 3bet. youre just giving away money by calling

I like minraising, if they dont call wide enough ,reshove or 3bet wide enough etc are very bad postflop if they might call on smaller stacks there are so many variables which can change this in my opinion,, I agree when players are somehwat better at poker it leans more forward to shoving, but tbh I win lots of my cash by having a different approach vs weaker players, I dont think $3 players are at such a level constantly that they exploit the minraises.

Just small example why would you raise a 6/6 player 0 3bet in BB allin 10bb with crap if 2bb accomplish the same thing with your hands
 
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no way this is an open jam preflop it's an easy minraise or 2.1x or whatever.
 
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