$3 NLHE MTT: Nut Flush Blocker on paired board

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 20/12/4

Villain had been Iso'ing limpers to the tune of 20% PFR.

I called with AJo on the button.

I decided to take a stab on a low board and got check raised.

Game started at: 2017/7/21 11:19:18
Game ID: 963455094 125/250 $1,000 GTD, Table 11 (Hold'em)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: MaDfRiStaiLER (16289).
Seat 2: HERO (17137).
Seat 4: crusher7333 (4600).
Seat 5: KwunS (19005).
Seat 6: omaeahoka (5055).
Seat 7: LeNinGrad2017 (9584).
Seat 8: VILLAIN (24694).
Seat 9: BluffedYA (16761).
Player crusher7333 ante (25)
Player KwunS ante (25)
Player omaeahoka ante (25)
Player LeNinGrad2017 ante (25)
Player VILLAIN ante (25)
Player BluffedYA ante (25)
Player MaDfRiStaiLER ante (25)
Player HERO ante (25)
Player crusher7333 has small blind (125)
Player KwunS has big blind (250)
Player HERO received card: [Jh]
Player HERO received card: [Ad]
Player omaeahoka folds
Player LeNinGrad2017 calls (250)
Player VILLAIN raises (880)
Player BluffedYA folds
Player MaDfRiStaiLER folds
Player HERO calls (880)
Player crusher7333 folds
Player KwunS folds
Player LeNinGrad2017 folds
*** FLOP ***: [5d 4d 7c]
Player VILLAIN checks
Player HERO bets (1293)
Player VILLAIN raises (4140)
Player HERO calls (2847)

I called with the view to repping the nut flush if it comes in.

The turn went check check w a Kc on the turn.

*** TURN ***: [5d 4d 7c] [Kc]
Player VILLAIN checks
Player HERO checks

V leads out on a Kd river.

I have V on a pocket pair between 7 and K.

*** RIVER ***: [5d 4d 7c Kc] [Kd]
Player VILLAIN bets (4840)

Do you jam as was the plan or fold here?

It is a bit tough with the paired board and the lead out.
 
PokerNuts01

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Fold after reraise on flop.. i never go for runer runer flush with nothing.
 
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I would check flop and bet on the turn, but as played, just fold
 
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I think I like betting the flop with the backdoor flush draw. It makes it far less likely that villain can continue with hands like AK and AQ because they're less likely to have a diamond. However, calling the re-raise on the flop is questionable at best because you have pretty low equity vs pocket pairs and sets and having the A of diamonds makes it harder for villain to be bluffing with a nut flush draw.

As played fold the river. Villain is unlikely to have got this far with many bluff combos, and I think it is pretty likely that they probably have a high pocket pair. Having the A of diamonds does block most of villains flushes but with the K of diamonds on the board as well it looks pretty unlikely that villain could have a flush. I think I just make a (perhaps exploitable in theory) fold here vs most opponents at this stake, but with that said if you think villain will fold 99-QQ if you raise then a hand like this can be a reasonable bluff.
 
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I think he has a good pair. Like queens or jacks. He wouldn't check raise you on the flop if he had a set. With the turn card his aggression did slow down a little so I'd assume Queens, Jacks or Tens again. But come to think of it I'd bet the flop if I had a pair of queens or jacks.
so perhaps he is drawing as well..
The villain covers you so a jam is a bit risky play but if you did bet on the turn signaling a straight or a flush draw then you might have a good chance of bluffing him on the river with a jam.
But if he had something like AK you are drawing dead of course.
I'd fold here.
 
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He is not gonna fold at that point. What are you repping?
Any made hand would bet on turn. Just a flush draw would check back. There is a lot of money in the pot. If there is no ICM pressure he will call unless he is a NIT.
 
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I ripped and it worked.......

better lucky?

Player HERO allin (12092)
Player VILLAIN folds
Uncalled bet (7252) returned to HERO
Player HERO mucks cards
------ Summary ------
Pot: 20545
Board: [5d 4d 7c Kc Kd]
Player MaDfRiStaiLER does not show cards.Bets: 25. Collects: 0. Loses: 25.
*Player HERO mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 9885. Collects: 20545. Wins: 10660.
Player crusher7333 does not show cards.Bets: 150. Collects: 0. Loses: 150.
Player KwunS does not show cards.Bets: 275. Collects: 0. Loses: 275.
Player omaeahoka does not show cards.Bets: 25. Collects: 0. Loses: 25.
Player LeNinGrad2017 does not show cards.Bets: 275. Collects: 0. Loses: 275.
Player VILLAIN does not show cards.Bets: 9885. Collects: 0. Loses: 9885.
Player BluffedYA does not show cards.Bets: 25. Collects: 0. Loses: 25.
Game ended at: 2017/7/21 11:21:26
 
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I fold on flop. It's always hard to identify the right moment to bluff...
It works, but risky move
 
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wut... just....

why?

why are you calling the raise otf and then checking turn to jam river... just wut?

sorry if this sounds harsh but imo this is pretty bad.. if you put them on a pocket pair, which is a fair read, why would you try to put them off it on the flop? do they really fold JJ on this board? do you really play AK this way on this flop?

wouldn't it be more believable for you to have AK if you check/call this flop and bet or raise the king on the turn?

Im checking this flop 100% of the time with my entire range given the preflop action and floating for good bluff cards on the turn.

if you want to bluff effectively you cant just throw darts blindfolded, you have to not only understand ranges but understand what villain will do with what parts of their range on what boards and what you do with different parts of your range on what boards.
 
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also, i know youve been told before to use a hand converter

bookmark this and use it, its free and its easy:
http://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/handconverter/
 
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Hey man, I just don't get you thinking... why call this 3bet? you really think that you were ahead of the villain?

the kings stopped the action a little bit what put the villain in some kind of pocket pair or also some suit connectors with diamond.

My man you had nothing... I would just fold on the flop. Will be nice to know the villain cards if you really made some action on this river.
 
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I don't think this is as easy a fold as you guys claim it is.

If I have AKs/o or KQs in this spot I am definitely checking turn given this action and yes I do take a stab on these boards SOMETIMES if checked to me when I'm in position.

If I have a nut flush draw or some other combo draw. I am checking the turn.

My range is improved with the Kd river far more than the flop check raiser unless they have a set which is 9 combos or 86s for 4 combos.

I need to have a bluff freq on the river of 20-30% to be GTO and the nut flush blocker seems to be one of the best candidates in this spot.

It worked bc there are legitimately only 13 combos calling me on this river from a decent player. Let's give them 1/3rd of pairs between 88 and QQ for another 10 combos which they are calling with if they are sticky.

That's 23 combos calling us on the river. Still a bad bluff?

My goal is to experiment in certain spots to get better. Maybe this was a disaster but I will continue to push the envelope in certain spots to get better.
 
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i think your range analysis is off. he has a ton of Kx in his range. he floats the flop with KT to KQ, and honestly I wouldnt give a 1/3rd weight to his pocket pairs. id count them for full value. so he has ~50 combos that he calls with.

I think the problem is you cap your range by betting flop and checking turn... if youre representing a flush draw... why would you check the turn with the flush draw? to me, im more likely to check the turn with Kx except you took a lot of Kx out of your range by betting the flop and now, lets say you do have Kx, suddenly you dont have any flushes when the Kd

id rather bet flop, barrel turn, or check flop, bet turn, bet river. delaying your aggression like that just makes the whole thing super awkward.
 
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