$3 NLHE MTT: Multiway Hand Deepstacked: What do you do on the Turn and River?

Villain 1 has VPIP of 44% and limps UTG. Hero has Q9s (diamonds) in the SB and completes. I need to start raising from the SB more but I loathe playing OOP in a bloated pot. Definitely Calling or Raising, folding is out of the question. V2 in the BB w a 14 VPIP and 10 PFR checks his option. Note that both V1 and V2 have high flop aggression factors of 5.4 and 2.2 respectively.

Here's the preflop and Flop action:
Game started at: 2017/3/8 9:32:32
Game ID: 860891513 30/60 $1,000 GTD, Table 2 (Hold'em)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 2: seuve (6807).
Seat 3: HERO (9216).
Seat 4: VILLAIN 2 (7066).
Seat 5: VILLAIN 1 (13869).
Seat 7: StorminDuhCastle (3983).
Seat 9: plays2win1 (5630).
Player HERO has small blind (30)
Player VILLAIN 2 has big blind (60)
Player HERO received card: [Qd]
Player HERO received card: [9d]
Player VILLAIN 2 received a card.
Player VILLAIN 2 received a card.
Player VILLAIN 1 received a card.
Player VILLAIN 1 received a card.
Player StorminDuhCastle received a card.
Player StorminDuhCastle received a card.
Player plays2win1 received a card.
Player plays2win1 received a card.
Player seuve received a card.
Player seuve received a card.
Player VILLAIN 1 calls (60)
Player StorminDuhCastle folds
Player plays2win1 folds
Player seuve folds
Player HERO calls (30)
Player VILLAIN 2 checks
*** FLOP ***: [8d 5h 9s]
Player HERO checks
Player VILLAIN 2 bets (120)
Player VILLAIN 1 calls (120)
Player HERO calls (120)

I don't think there's much debate on this flop. Given aggressive nature of the villains, I must call the flop w top pair decent kicker and a back door flush draw. I f I raise here, I'm only getting called by better.

The Turn is where it gets interesting. Pot is now 540 with V2 as the effective stack w 6900 chips or 115bb.

*** TURN ***: [8d 5h 9s] [6d]
Player HERO checks
Player VILLAIN 2 bets (360)
Player VILLAIN 1 raises (720)

Its pretty they both have a 7 with one player potentially having the nuts w T7. Hoping V2 does not have T7, I call hoping to bink my flush on the river and get paid off by both.

Player HERO calls (720)

Unfortunately, the plan does not work.

Player VILLAIN 2 raises (1680)
Player VILLAIN 1 calls (1320)

So it looks like V2 only has the naked 7 and maybe a flush draw.

Do you call at this point?

Pot is 5340 and I need to call 1320 more i.e. 25% pot odds and 18% equity of hitting my flush with some implied odds.

Limping preflop is fine here, we are not looking to bloat this pot OOP.

Flop is standard, turn I am just folding. As you pointed out yourself, the pot odds offer us 4:1 and we need just over 5:1 odds to call here and break even. Implied odds are pretty irrelevant here given the SPR on the river is going to be 0.2

I'm folding. You are drawing and playing a huge pot... with a Q high flush draw... if you make your flush it may not even be good.

I fold and if flush hits and they turn over some random A7o or some random two pair... I roll my eyes and move on with a healthy stack...

I am trying to play higher variance in these spots in tourneys bc I want to have more chips as we get deeper into the tourney, so I called bc I close the action and I'm reasonably confident I am good if we hit our flush.

Here's the call and river:

Player HERO calls (1320)
*** RIVER ***: [8d 5h 9s 6d] [Kd]

We hit our money card for the 2nd nut flush.

The pot is 6660. Do you jam here (Hero has 6996 left in stack) so that you can jam your naked Ad hands for bluffs or do you bet small to get calls. I must bet or this is checking through in all likelihood. Maybe UTG turns his hand into a bluff since he knows he can't beat the BB but unlikely I think. Any view?

I might add that since I've started playing higher variance my ROI has increased from about 60% to 80%, though my ITM% has fallen. My ITM% was about 29% with an avg field of 240. My goal which I know sounds bizarre was to lower my ITM% to 20% while hopefully improving my ROI. 29% is just too high and I was min cashing far too much. Obviously there is some run good involved in this but I think its important to note.

I would probably call giving the circumstance. The pot is large and getting decent odds for the price.

awesome said:

I am trying to play higher variance in these spots in tourneys bc I want to have more chips as we get deeper into the tourney, so I called bc I close the action and I'm reasonably confident I am good if we hit our flush.

Here's the call and river:

Player HERO calls (1320)
*** RIVER ***: [8d 5h 9s 6d] <font color='red'>K<font face="arial">♦</font></font>

We hit our money card for the 2nd nut flush.

The pot is 6660. Do you jam here (Hero has 6996 left in stack) so that you can jam your naked Ad hands for bluffs or do you bet small to get calls. I must bet or this is checking through in all likelihood. Maybe UTG turns his hand into a bluff since he knows he can't beat the BB but unlikely I think. Any view?

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im not brave enough to check here

id shove

I bet 1/3rd pot (2200 into 6600) and got called by UTG and won the pot. UTG complained a lot about what a fish I am so, in retrospect, this is a jam I believe but I am still open to other views.

Just to make it official.

Player HERO bets (2220)
Player VILLAIN 2 folds
Player VILLAIN 1 calls (2220)
Player VILLAIN 1 mucks cards
------ Summary ------
Pot: 11100
Board: [8d 5h 9s 6d Kd]
Player seuve does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player HERO shows: Flush, K high [Qd 9d]. Bets: 4440. Collects: 11100. Wins: 6660.
Player VILLAIN 2 does not show cards.Bets: 2220. Collects: 0. Loses: 2220.
Player VILLAIN 1 mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 4440. Collects: 0. Loses: 4440.
Player StorminDuhCastle does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player plays2win1 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.

The problem you get into is trapping yourself with a drawing hand between 2 players on the turn. If you are reasonably sure that they both have a 7 then you should just fold to the first bet on the turn. However, once you call and you're getting the right odds and you close the action I'm ok with the second call since it will be super easy to play the river but only if you are reasonably sure that at least one will call a bet when you make your flush. I can tell you in a higher stakes game with better players you're never getting paid off when your OOP here.

Turn easy fold! You can see A7 flush, or 2 pair with maximum 20% equity. Never call turn in this situation