$3 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Check Raised with bottom pair and nut flush draw

I just sat down at the table and raised A3s (spades) 2.2x from MP1.

There are two callers. I have no history with the players since this is the first hand.

We are very deep at 150bb+.

Here's the action and flop.

Game started at: 2017/6/6 9:14:10
Game ID: 930184286 15/30 $1,000 GTD, Table 5 (Hold'em)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: VILLAIN (5087).
Seat 2: whatasickness (4882).
Seat 3: BluffPRO94 (5856).
Seat 4: HERO (5000).
Seat 5: Markdum (4955).
Seat 6: sil80guy (4280).
Seat 7: TheBeatGod (5830).
Seat 8: JapoAtom (4853).
Seat 9: rainkist (4925).
Player rainkist has small blind (15)
Player VILLAIN has big blind (30)
Player rainkist received a card.
Player rainkist received a card.
Player VILLAIN received a card.
Player VILLAIN received a card.
Player whatasickness received a card.
Player whatasickness received a card.
Player BluffPRO94 received a card.
Player BluffPRO94 received a card.
Player HERO received card: [3s]
Player HERO received card: [As]
Player Markdum received a card.
Player Markdum received a card.
Player sil80guy received a card.
Player sil80guy received a card.
Player TheBeatGod received a card.
Player TheBeatGod received a card.
Player JapoAtom received a card.
Player JapoAtom received a card.
Player whatasickness folds
Player BluffPRO94 folds
Player HERO raises (66)
Player Markdum folds
Player sil80guy calls (66)
Player TheBeatGod folds
Player JapoAtom folds
Player rainkist folds
Player VILLAIN calls (36)
*** FLOP ***: [6s 7s 3d]

This is a favorable flop obviously. I bet my usual 1/2 pot bet and the BB check raises. The only info I have is that he's from the Ukraine. I know they play a GTO/aggressive style.

In my early days I would rip this but since I'm in position I don't see any other course other than to call bc I would be in horrible shape vs. V's get it in range.

Player VILLAIN checks
Player HERO bets (107)
Player sil80guy folds
Player VILLAIN raises (321)
Player HERO calls (214)

Any views?

I would happily call and see the turn card! The V might check-raise bluff you on that board texture knowing that you are C-betting most of your range here. I would rather go for 1/3 of the pot C-bet though. Remember your goal is to build the pot gradually with a hand with massive equity like nut flush

I called.

Here's the turn and action

Player HERO calls (214)
*** TURN ***: [6s 7s 3d] [8d]
Player VILLAIN bets (565)

V is continuing the story and this is admittedly a poor river since V could have two pair+ now.

Any views?

It is a math problem! The pot odds is approximately 28% and the hand equity is 24% at best (assuming the V doesn't have 2pairs+). You need at least an equity greater than 28% to call profitably. I would fold!

That is why I would prefer to bet 1/3 of the pot on the flop to get the right price to call in the next streets.

Actually you need to analyze your implied odd as well, if you are putting him on two pairs+ and you think that, if you hit the flush, you can get all in or at least a good amount of his chips, you should always call, but if he is tighter passive and will stop betting if the flush hits, I guess you should fold because of the close odds

I called bc I'm a station and I believe I still have implied odds if I hit my flush. I do not have any stats on the V since as stated originally this is my first hand at the table. So, I have to base this on the player pool and expect that I can get called on the river in position if I bet the flush.

The river gets interesting.

V checks the 7 pairing on the river.

This is a tough spot bc although I have showdown value, I am very much at the bottom of my range.

Do you turn your value hand into a bluff at this point?

Player HERO calls (565)
*** RIVER ***: [6s 7s 3d 8d] [7h]
Player VILLAIN checks

awesome said:

I called bc I'm a station and I believe I still have implied odds if I hit my flush. I do not have any stats on the V since as stated originally this is my first hand at the table. So, I have to base this on the player pool and expect that I can get called on the river in position if I bet the flush.

The river gets interesting.

V checks the 7 pairing on the river.

This is a tough spot bc although I have showdown value, I am very much at the bottom of my range.

Do you turn your value hand into a bluff at this point?

Player HERO calls (565)
*** RIVER ***: [6s 7s 3d 8d] [7h]
Player VILLAIN checks

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It is interesting to think about that! However, I prefer to check back on the river since it is the first played hand and I would like to see the V's cards. It seems like the V hits a piece of the board or misses some draws, you have to ask yourself how much should I bet to force him to fold? In this case, you should at least bet 60-70% of the pot, which would be a fairly high portion of your stack. I would rather save my chips for the better spots.

What was the outcome though?

I think the open with A3s is fine from MP, but I don't think a CBet is really necessary here even though we do have a ton of equity against most of BBs continuing and check raising range. Middle/bottom pair + flush draws type hands are really weird, because we do have a ton of equity against almost every conceivable hand, but we're behind every single one of them. We have showdown value with a redraw, but when you bet it's almost like you're turning your hand into a bluff which I don't think is the correct strategy when we're deepstacked. If effective stacks were smaller, say 25BBs or less, this is an easy jam on the flop and hope it runs out in our favor if we do get called as the only thing we're really crushed by is a set and everything else we're essentially flipping against even 2 pair most of the time. However, with stacks as they are, I think it plays much better as a check especially against an aggressive BB.

When we check, our hand is super disguised and we can call almost any turn and even some rivers, depending on the aggressiveness of villain. And when we do improve and bink the nuts, some opponents go crazy thinking "oh he checked the flop, he can't have a flush" and just bomb into you based on that assumption. For all these reasons, I think a check back on the flop is necessary, call turn and evaluate river. It pot controls when we don't hit our flush and also allows our opponent to go crazy with low equity hands, and disguises our hand immensely.

I took the free showdown and hero checked bc despite having some 7x in my range, I'm not getting a pair > 3 to fold on this board.

Hero's A3 > Villain's A5.

Player HERO checks
------ Summary ------
Pot: 1985
Board: [6s 7s 3d 8d 7h]
Player VILLAIN shows: One pair of 7s [5h Ac]. Bets: 952. Collects: 0. Loses: 952.
Player whatasickness does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player BluffPRO94 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player HERO shows: Two pairs. 7s and 3s [3s As]. Bets: 952. Collects: 1985. Wins: 1033.
Player Markdum does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player sil80guy does not show cards.Bets: 66. Collects: 0. Loses: 66.
Player TheBeatGod does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player JapoAtom does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player rainkist does not show cards.Bets: 15. Collects: 0. Loses: 15.
Game ended at: 2017/6/6 9:16:7