$3.30 NLHE MTT: Set mine or shove??

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pokerstars - 150/300 Ante 40 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (CO): 26.79 BB
BTN: 35 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.68, 3Bet Preflop: 14.81, hands: 76)
SB: 13.7 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 75.6 BB (VPIP: 26.76, PFR: 14.08, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 75)
UTG: 31.11 BB (VPIP: 22.67, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 75)

5 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.17 BB) Hero has 7s 7c
UTG raises to 2.1 BB,
 
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Shoving is def profitable but 27bb is too much. Just fold. I wud shove 20bb and less vs that position.
 
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Shove is bad with your stacks. You are in position, so You can call.Nice line would be also a 3-bet to around 5,7 bb. If he will 4-bet you have place to fold, but if he call you are IP and You have very strong range and he will fold a lot of his range on the flop :)
 
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I think set mining or folding is good in this situation. Your stack is a little too big to shove against that raiser.
 
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In order for set mining to be profitable you AND villain have to have 15x villains open behind.
So 2.1*15=31.5BB and you have less BBs.
So it's push or fold imo.
I'll say fold there because villain range is too strong from UTG, unless you know that he is opening wide, then shove.
 
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I would call and try to see the flop. I agree with others that your stack is a little too big to shove. If I was in the SB, I would lean towards shoving.
 
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I agree with the comment above. 77 is just too strong hand five handed to just be set ming with. I would call his bet, and play in position. 77 is not a easy hand to play post flop as you will have overcards on the flop, but you have position. 75 hands is not alot, but should have at least a vague read on his tendencies to help you post flop. I would rather 3 bet then fold a hand this strong in this spot.

Just my humble opinion


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No way am I shoving here. Though HUs Im not sure Im flatting here either.
 
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Personally i would flat here and play position post. If someone behind you shoves you get to see what UTG does and can fold if he isolates. Play it post look for spot to take it away if you don't hit your 2 outer. If your not comfortable enough with your post flop play when overs hit then just fold it pre. Remember we are playing Poker not just cards. Take it to the streets and outplay him!
 
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Basically the question rarely can be setmine or shove cause in general this means, you are too short to setmine unless ,you are in the blind and get a real good prize ,

But vs these stats I am jamming 77 he seems to open wide enough
 
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300 left while 150 paid. I'm around 160ish
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PokerStars - 150/300 Ante 40 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (CO): 26.79 BB
BTN: 35 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.68, 3Bet Preflop: 14.81, Hands: 76)
SB: 13.7 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 75.6 BB (VPIP: 26.76, PFR: 14.08, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 75)
UTG: 31.11 BB (VPIP: 22.67, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 75)

5 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.17 BB) Hero has 7s 7c
UTG raises to 2.1 BB,
Set mine, I think 26BB is too much too push, we have to consider the raise is coming from UTG

Personally I would have preferred a 3rd option, 3betting.
 
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Set mine, I think 26BB is too much too push, we have to consider the raise is coming from UTG

Personally I would have preferred a 3rd option, 3betting.

Honestly i was thinking about this also , but then you re probably planning on folding vs a 4bet or calling it off? I think 3bettng smaller prolly is slightly more optimal, just shoving prolly less exploitable, so if you know what you are doing and exactly know what to do in different scenarios and on different boards if just get called .



Also UTG 5handed is not the normal UTG range, so you must take a wider UTG opnings range imo
 
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In order for set mining to be profitable you AND villain have to have 15x villains open behind.
So 2.1*15=31.5BB and you have less BBs.
So it's push or fold imo.
I'll say fold there because villain range is too strong from UTG, unless you know that he is opening wide, then shove.





I love your breakdown of set mining profitability here, very useful information, but I disagree with your analysis of Villians range. Yes he is UTG, but it is 5 handed, UTG is also the HJ in this situation. 5 handed on the BTN with 77 versus HJ open is an all in to me
 
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Damn why so many folks want to rejam 26bb from UTG raisers. Its too big of a rejam from any position. Our stack doesnt really give us many options. We could 3bet to 5bb/f or take it to the streets. His AK might not feel as good on a dry flop LOL! BUt on this stack Im probably just seeing the flop by calling and see what evolves
 
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Damn why so many folks want to rejam 26bb from UTG raisers. Its too big of a rejam from any position. Our stack doesnt really give us many options. We could 3bet to 5bb/f or take it to the streets. His AK might not feel as good on a dry flop LOL! BUt on this stack Im probably just seeing the flop by calling and see what evolves
You have to remember, as it was pointed out earlier, it's 6-max, an UTG raiser has a wider range than an UTG raiser at 9-max.
 
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FYI, the worst hands to 3B with are small PPs. 3bet/folding a hand with little postflop value and no blockers at this stack depth is awful.
 
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Flatting seems the reasonable move. stack is in the goldilock zone to stay tight and cash. then you can take some chances.
 
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I am still worried that the raise is from UTG. We are either crushed or flipping most of the time in my mind. Maybe we are up against A2 to A6 and 22-66 at times here but I don't think so often enough. I flat and reevaluate on the flop. I am also ready to apply pressure on a flop with an over card or two as well. 5 handed we don't need a set to win this pot if it ends up heads up as 77 does have some showdown value as well.

In this situation IMO there is a big difference in 77 vs say 99. 99 is a 3 bet no doubt and probably 88 as well. 77 seems a little bit too much in that gray area for me.
 
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so what's the best option?[emoji1]
There is no 1 best option, we don't know the general table dynamics.

And as I had mentioned above, based on the 2 choices and having no idea what the table dynamics are, I'm set mining.
 
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FYI, the worst hands to 3B with are small PPs. 3bet/folding a hand with little postflop value and no blockers at this stack depth is awful.

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But you arent folding either I suppose ? Or jamming 26BB here is to loose?
 
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There is no 1 best option, we don't know the general table dynamics.

And as I had mentioned above, based on the 2 choices and having no idea what the table dynamics are, I'm set mining.

ofc with dynamics and reads on all players, the right thing to do is easier to define
 
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See a flop. No reason to shove quite yet. You will have plenty of time to make another move if this pot doesnt work out. No sense in getting all in on a marginal hand so early witha a raiser under the gun
 
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