$3.30 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Check, check, check raise shove?

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Table is seven handed. Villain just recently joined the table. I know nothing about him, he knows nothing about me. We're about two hours into the tournament, still have about ninety minutes before money. Villain had about 5k to start the hand. I had about 10-11k.


(No small blind for this hand)
BB posted Big Blind 300
You Were Dealt (Qs,Qd)
UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
VILLAIN calls 300
HJ folds
CU folds
HERO raised to 975
BB folds
VILLAIN calls 975

Dealing Flop (Js,Ks,2c)

VILLAIN checks
HERO checks

Dealing Turn (8d)

VILLAIN checks
HERO checks

Dealing River (6h)

VILLAIN checks
HERO bets 1009
VILLAIN is All In

???


Please help, I had no clue what to do
 
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Generally if you're the preflop aggressor and playing against unknown villain , you can normally put in a C-bet and evaluate after that.

Fold river, it really looks like villain slow-play a best hand.
 
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fold river, he's doing that with the nuts usually. But why did you check on the flop? You could bet like 4/10 of the pot. If he has nothing you win the pot right there. But you could get value also from a J there.

flop -bet
turn - check
river - check / call a small bet
 
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Honestly, I don't remember why I bet the river. I meant to bet the turn and in retrospect that's what I wish I had done. If I had bet the turn, would that have been okay?

I didn't bet the flop, because there was an over card. So I wanted to limit my betting to one street - but by c-betting flop and checking the turn, I show weakness. Also I think a turn bet is much more likely to scare him away from a draw.
 
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Of course he could have a missed flush? But in any case you should have c-bet, then if he raised you or just called, then you slow down.....I defo fold when he raises all-in...........gl :D:D:D
 
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Villains hand screams 66 to me but if you are checking the flop you have to put a bet out there on the turn to get some value and not let them catch up for free
 
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c-bet or checking flop is fine, but by the turn we really do want to be betting so that we don't let villian realise his equuity for free and also because we want to be charging his worse hands and draws to see a river, so basically to get value ffrom his draws and Jx.

But overall a pot control line is a pretty good idea here..

some lines you might want to consider (each has slight pros and cons)

1. Bet/Bet/check
2. Bet/Check/ (call) or (bet small)
3. Check/bet/bet
4. Check/bet/check

All these lines can be valid depending on your opponant and what you want to do with your hand, but overall i like the checking flop line and pot controlling this somewhat as it's one of those flops that he can give action alot, and in general i'm not a huge fan of betting flop/checking turn/guess calling rivers.

But as mentioned, you do really want to be betting that turn, there is no reason at all to check it again.

As played i realyl have no idea, but i would just muck it and mark him as a weird player that possibly slowplays monsters.
 
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Yeah in hindsight, I really wish I'd gone with option 4 (or maaaybe option 3), but I don't remember why I didn't.

I ended up calling the all in, because I thought he wouldn't check three times with a monster. But he showed KJ and it turns out he was just a weird player. This is the first time I've ever seen an opponent go check, check, check-raise-shove, so I guess that is a sign of strength. I will remember to fold this kind of hand in the future.

If I had bet the turn and he check-raise-shoved there, then I would have been able to get away from it. So checking twice was my big mistake here.

Thank you for the advice everyone!
 
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The shove is confusing, but I think I would have called. Also, I would have bet the flop fairly hard.
 
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How many chips did the BB have?

No antes?

I'm leaning towards a shove preflop depending on the BB's stack size.

At the very least I'm raising at least 4x preflop after the limp.

As played I'm c-betting this flop.
 
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Table is seven handed. Villain just recently joined the table. I know nothing about him, he knows nothing about me. We're about two hours into the tournament, still have about ninety minutes before money. Villain had about 5k to start the hand. I had about 10-11k.


(No small blind for this hand)
BB posted Big Blind 300
You Were Dealt (Qs,Qd)
UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
VILLAIN calls 300
HJ folds
CU folds
HERO raised to 975
BB folds
VILLAIN calls 975

Dealing Flop (Js,Ks,2c)

VILLAIN checks
HERO checks

Dealing Turn (8d)

VILLAIN checks
HERO checks

Dealing River (6h)

VILLAIN checks
HERO bets 1009
VILLAIN is All In

???


Please help, I had no clue what to do

It's a fold. You just beat bluffs here. There is chance that he bluffs but you have a lot of chips, so you dont need to risk IMO.
 
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How many chips did the BB have?

No antes?

I'm leaning towards a shove preflop depending on the BB's stack size.

At the very least I'm raising at least 4x preflop after the limp.

As played I'm c-betting this flop.
Can't remember how much the BB had. Pretty sure he had less than me, though.

I believe the ante was 30, sorry for not mentioning it. Pretty sure it's always 20% of SB on Carbon...
 
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Can't remember how much the BB had. Pretty sure he had less than me, though.

I believe the ante was 30, sorry for not mentioning it. Pretty sure it's always 20% of SB on Carbon...

Depending on how much less the BB had than you did, like if his stack was close to villains, I'm just keeping things simple and shoving it in his face preflop.

If you'd rather just raise, make it 4bb's + 1bb for the ante.

Then c-bet the flop.

Tbh - If you're checking behind on the flop and turn, you might as well just check it down on the river. No need to complicate things and open yourself up to get raised and have to make a tough decision.

As played fold river.
 
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It is really strange hand , it looks like he doesn't know what he is doing,
Looking from one side he is weak , because he would bet/call anything that has some value, and I think he has no guarantee that you will bet the river because of the previous passive lines. But check-raise is either a mindless bluff or a slow played monster. Because he had only 13 BB after the flop he knew that he will go all in, sooner or later , and was just waiting for you to do the move. Strange play but somehow is logical he thought that because he showed weakness for all the streets it is likely that you will at least make a small bet on the river , to take the pot down. Monster is more likely than a pure bluff because of the stack sizes.
 
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Cbet the flop,check the turn,as played fold the river.
 
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