$3.30 NLHE MTT: 3.30 Big on Stars, Holding set of Ace on 4 flush river

naruto_miu · Apr 2, 2017

I just want to know, what you would do here In this situation? No Info on btn, and really not a great spot to be In all-together? Also what do you think of the "Turn check"?

P.S, I will say this much. I myself didn't play this hand (A man with huge huge "Cojone's")

played this hand.

I myself, didn't agree with the "Turn check" and they want to know, what you all think about the hand, the turn check, and lastly what you'd have done by river.

P.P.S: I was screaming Fold on river, but the "Cojone" man, went Into the tank and was like "Hold on Abdi, I got to grab a beer", can you believe that (A beer), lol, I lolz so hard, when "He made that comment".

So again, look at the hand, the board, the texture, the player you're up against (A total unknown btw), and ask yourself, If you're In this spot what do you do? I think It's a relatively, easy fold, but I don't know, as this "Cojone" man let his T.B run-down and run and run and run, lol.

okerStars - 50/100 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 47.53 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 87.26 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG+1: 35.76 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP: 39.22 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP+1: 60.81 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP+2: 184.95 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 7)
CO: 131.54 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: 72.02 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 44.71 BB

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has As Ad
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3.15 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.15 BB

Flop : (8.2 BB, 2 players) Th 7h 5d
Hero bets 5.08 BB, BTN calls 5.08 BB

Turn : (18.36 BB, 2 players) Ah
Hero checks, BTN checks

River : (18.36 BB, 2 players) 9h
Hero checks, BTN bets 9.18 BB, Hero????

Dwarf · Apr 2, 2017

I don't love checking the turn without having a heart. However, you have a good check raise spot here, when villain checks behind you can pretty much put him on a 10.

By checking the turn, when the river comes you do not get any value by leading the river. You only get called by made flushes.

When you do check the Ah turn and 9h river, BB WILL bet river alot. He is defending his BB, you showed hesitation on 2 streets of hearts and an Ace.

Ontop of that, BB leads out 1/2 pot. Calling here wont cripple your stack, I think it's a slightly negative EV play.

BB probably calls your lead on the flop with top pair, over cards, or a draw.
BB doesn't check the river back with a good made flush.
When the 4th heart appears, there are a lot of scare cards on the board and it is a good opportunity to bluff.

Calling here in a tournament is probably the -ICM play but given Villains estimated bluff frequency, you most likely have odds to call profitably.

trent32la · Apr 3, 2017

4bbs pre, bet 9.99bb on the turn, sigh call river.

Andrew Popov · Apr 3, 2017

Call on the river, of course. 9BB is not the rate to fold.

But I did not understand why the turn was not put with a set of aces.

mcgregor_415 · Apr 3, 2017

Maybe the turn was the key here. I would shove there and you would have put in a tough position the guy, who waited the fourth card for a flush on the river.
I would fold as well on the river.

akmost · Apr 3, 2017

I would double barreled and maybe I would block bet the river,I don't like the idea of giving the opponent a free card on the turn. The 3bet sizing must had been bigger imho because he is OOP against an unknown opponent and because is the first hand he would play against him.Apparently it is a bad board for the AA.

wildyetty · Apr 3, 2017

here's my thought's on the hand considering I am the 1 who played it.... I checked the turn because it brought in too many draws, I felt if I double barreled he could have just jammed a bluff on me and I am stuck calling with crap straight draws and a 4 flush is always possible. so i didnt want to bloat the pot.... The river was exactly what I didnt want, so like Abdi said I needed a minute to think..... his bet size didnt hurt me so I made the hero call. and celebrated with my fresh beer

Its pokerstars remember the king site for setup hands

Gerb · Apr 5, 2017

Dwarf said:
BB probably calls your lead on the flop with top pair, over cards, or a draw.
BB doesn't check the river back with a good made flush.
When the 4th heart appears, there are a lot of scare cards on the board and it is a good opportunity to bluff.

Calling here in a tournament is probably the -ICM play but given Villains estimated bluff frequency, you most likely have odds to call profitably.

Good call Dwarf, sounds like from Yetti's post that you were bang on.

naruto_miu · Apr 5, 2017

I will state that you're all Nutz, how In the world you make a "Soul read to that level" Is beside me, but I'll let you all know, that villain had K7(No heart and no draw), lol.

Dwarf · Apr 5, 2017

naruto_miu said:
I will state that you're all Nutz, how In the world you make a "Soul read to that level" Is beside me, but I'll let you all know, that villain had K7(No heart and no draw), lol.

You are looking at a Way ahead/way behind situation on the river.

The problem with WA/WB situations is that if you are aggressive, you will either be scaring your opponent away from the hand or digging yourself into a hole. If your opponent is behind, they will simply fold and save their money. However, if you are the one that is behind, you are throwing money into a pot that you have little hope of winning.
Therefore the best approach in these situations is to play passively, and allow your opponent to make the plays in such a way ahead / way behind situation. If your opponent has the worst hand, you are offering them the opportunity to make the mistake of betting with the worst hand. Conversely, by checking to them, you are minimizing your losses if you are indeed way behind in the hand.
Way ahead way behind spots are one of the very few times that I will intentionally slowplay strong hands.
The biggest problem with WA/WB situations is that it is difficult to work out whether you are losing or if you are ahead. This is why the best approach in these situations is to play passively, and check/call on betting rounds to reduce the amount of money you are losing if you are behind. So essentially, you are going into damage limitation mode rather than all out all or nothing mode by playing aggressively.
The key point is that you cannot bet for value, and so you want to induce a bad value bet or a bluff from your opponent. Any other play would be losing you money in the long run, so play it cool and make the optimum plays in these particular pots.

You've got to the river with what looks like a BvB standard open and continuation bet. After the check check, this is a perfect opportunity for BB to bluff.

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