$265 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: 3-bet pot with AK on KT6ddd flop

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 41/40/38

Villain in the hand is looking pretty LAG fishy so far, way too aggro and playing too many hands. A couple of hands previously I took half his stack with a set vs tptk.

Blinds are 60/120 no ante.


UTG raises 2.3x, villain on the button calls. I'm in the small blind with AsKh and decided to 3-bet put to 1260. Both players call.


Flop comes KT6 all diamonds. Pot is 3840 and villain has 3780, a pot sized bet behind. He jams and I call.


Villain has 66 for a set and I lose the pot. I think it's a pretty standard spot that plays itself.


Did he make a huge mistake here set-mining preflop with only 50bb? I'm pretty sure he did, you need more to play to make set mining profitable.


Could you get away from the hand if stacks were deeper?
 
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1.Did he make a huge mistake here set-mining preflop with only 50bb? I'm pretty sure he did, you need more to play to make set mining profitable.


2.Could you get away from the hand if stacks were deeper?


1. No (does not commit him plus utg bet preflop seems so strong). imo
2. jes you could, since i assume you are not pot commited on flop.In general vs 2 ppl on tptk on dangerous board is fold to me. I mean your hand does not improve later streets and if it does you have most likely second best holding. imo

But if i have draw to nut flush i do not fold on flop never ever.
 
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As always it’s necessary to consider ranges of all players in the hand. In these case, it often doesn’t; matter too much – but let me ask a question; what other hands do you raise to $1260 OOP like this? My guess is top tier premium hands – if you opponents are still simply going to call anyway, than raising becomes somewhat pointless – let’s walk through why.

In general, I like your PF sizing, we just have to incorporate a range of hands that we’re doing it with, otherwise we’re exploitable (not in this case, as I said, in these games this kind of thinking is moot – that doesn’t absolve good players from doing it).

Another question – “He jams and I call” – did you check flop? Sounds to me like you did and I hate that. We have a great flop for our hand – what happens if he checks behind? As played, we should be jamming here and making him call it off. The only case where we’re checking flop would be if we had some fold equity and could feasibly work some bluffs into our range – but with these stack sizes, this is a clear all-in.

As for the villain, yes, he most definitely made a mistake, and a big one. What if you had AQ, or something like a squeezed 44? He doesn’t get paid. Additionally, with finite stacks in an MTT, this is burning money – and something you will see constantly at this level.

But, there’s no getting away from this AP. This is why I’d consider a flat call from the SB. Donk out on the flop and fold to his jam, this allows us to exploit him and his “never a bluff” range. If he just calls, we get it in on any turn short of a diamond (and yes, this is a somewhat inconvenient flop for us for the diamonds reason).

Consider his range of hands. Which is everything he opens – once these fishy players put money in the pot, they’re playing. In this case, you have 2 of them. 3-betting pre-flop serves no purpose short of value – and while you have a very strong hand, against two 60%+ ranges, you’re going to have profitability issues.
Jamming pre-flop costs us too much value, so that’s out.

So, I like a flat call PF. We can then check if we miss, or donk out on this flop and re-evaluate based on his action. We could also consider a check/raise OTF – but remember, that we run into many of the same problems raising PF presents.

These players are never going to be bluffing, and are going to be calling very wide. If one or both players calls our donk, we jam any turn – if they raise, we fold. By slowing down a bit, OOP against ginormous ranges, we can play optimally against our foes - they will tell us if they can beat us and we will say “nice hand” and slide our cards into the muck.
 
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SSBN743 hit just about everything I could contribute. I like the 3-bet and once Villain calls pre with a pot size bet behind you should raise call a rer-raise with your TPTK, not check call it off. Villain would have 4 bet AI AA or KK and likely QQ and JJ. He has a few Ax combos for a flush and more than a few solo A of diamond, none diamond hands. In the end she has just about as many winners as losers and you are getting 2 to 1 on the push.

I don't like Villain's over call preflop. It leaves him a pot size bet behind. IMHO, she should push gaining fold equity or fold herself and wait for a better hand.
 
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Thanks for the detailed replies. I like the play of just calling pre flop and playing optimally post flop against guys who never bluff. I just saw it as a spot too good not to squeeze. As you point out, most good players will either re-raise all in or fold a hand like a middling pair. I'll try and resist this temptation against these opponents in future.

And yes I did check the flop and called his jam. That was a bad play and a bad habit I'm using at micro stakes trying to build a roll. I find a lot of players at these stakes like to spew their chips with air and bluff with no good reason and checking helps to stack them. I'll be mindful to make some adjustments when I get another go at the MDS.
 
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