$.25 NLHE MTT: Is my shove too aggressive vs MP opr and 3 callers?

tewwa94

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the original raiser wasn't playing hands until this one, so (s)he has a hand for sure.

pokerstars - 25/50 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG+1: 1,655 (33.1 bb)
MP: 7,892 (157.8 bb)
CO: 1,633 (32.7 bb)
BTN: 906 (18.1 bb)
SB: 4,426 (88.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 961 (19.2 bb)
UTG: 1,071 (21.4 bb)

7 players post ante of 6, SB posts 25, Hero posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 117) Hero has :as4: :10s4:
fold, UTG+1 raises to 100, MP calls 100, CO calls 100, fold, SB calls 75, Hero raises to 955 and is all-in, UTG+1 raises to 1,649 and is all-in, 3 folds

Flop: (2,252, 2 players) :6c4: :ac4: :5c4:

Turn: (2,252, 2 players) :7s4:

River: (2,252, 2 players) :5s4:

Results: 2,252 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :6c4: :ac4: :5c4: :7s4: :5s4:

Hero shows :as4: :10s4:: (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 32%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)

UTG+1 shows :js4: :jd4:: (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 68%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)

Hero wins 2,252
 
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I think your 19 BB shove in that situation is pretty spewy. You got really lucky and sucked out, but that doesn't make your decision good.
 
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the original raiser wasn't playing hands until this one, so (s)he has a hand for sure.

PokerStars - 25/50 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG+1: 1,655 (33.1 bb)
MP: 7,892 (157.8 bb)
CO: 1,633 (32.7 bb)
BTN: 906 (18.1 bb)
SB: 4,426 (88.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 961 (19.2 bb)
UTG: 1,071 (21.4 bb)

7 players post ante of 6, SB posts 25, Hero posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 117) Hero has :as4: :10s4:
fold, UTG+1 raises to 100, MP calls 100, CO calls 100, fold, SB calls 75, Hero raises to 955 and is all-in, UTG+1 raises to 1,649 and is all-in, 3 folds

Flop: (2,252, 2 players) :6c4: :ac4: :5c4:

Turn: (2,252, 2 players) :7s4:

River: (2,252, 2 players) :5s4:

Results: 2,252 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: :6c4: :ac4: :5c4: :7s4: :5s4:

Hero shows :as4: :10s4:: (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 32%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)

UTG+1 shows :js4: :jd4:: (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 68%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)

Hero wins 2,252

If you noticed UTG+1 hadn’t opened a pot for what looks like 3 blind levels, leading you to believe that they must be rather tight, why shove?

ATs is at the very low end of a tight player’s UTG+1 opening range. So if you’re holding ATs, villain surely must be holding better, and is likely to call with those hands.

In addition, there are several players left to act that could ALSO have you dominated, best case for you a coin flip.

I would only attempt this move on a very loose utg+1 raiser who has a much wider range that includes low pairs, suited connectors, and junky hands like Q9o, KJo, A8 etc. while simultaneously doing it under the cover of a tight table image (even though I’m generally a loose-ish aggressive player myself).

Sometimes you can have a table image that doesn’t match your playing style, which is a great tool to use.




I think your 19 BB shove in that situation is pretty spewy. You got really lucky and sucked out, but that doesn't make your decision good.

I agree with the second part here. Do not continue to make this play in similar situations, you will go broke more often than not.

Sidetracked, as for the first part of your response, I think it’s generally more helpful to give an explanation as to why this play might be spewy. While I agree with you and know why it’s spewy myself, some readers or OP might not know exactly why. Also, breaking it down into an explanation will help you in your own game, further cementing concepts and strategies in your arsenal. This also allows other readers to ask you questions and challenge your reasoning as well:)
 
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I dont like the jam for a few reasons. One is A10 suited is not a top hand so you would be shoving it for fold equity and not because of strength. You mentioned the UTG raiser was not active and then raises UTG. They usually will have something good and will likely call leaving you behind most of the time. I also dont like the shove as you have a hand that flops generally well being suited and it is just one more big blind to call. I think this is a situation where you take what is given to you and you get to see a cheap flop with a nice potential drawing hand.
 
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I don't see your all in as a problem for a couple reasons. There are 10BB already in the pot, and you are under 20BBs. You are almost in shove mode range, so do it when you might gain 2.5X or even 3.5X with a caller or two (respectively). You have a fair enough hand to go against one or maybe two players, but you face 4 villains. Thin it down. You also have some fold equity. Although your stack is low enough to give fair odds, it was possible everyone would fold to your 3bet. Finally, you are way out of position. Shoving eliminates that factor.

I would not do this very often, as ATs is not a hand that is good for shoving. It does horrible against AJ+ and is slightly under 50% to any low pair. With everything I said above, I think now was a fair time to gamble.
 
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