$230 NLHE MTT Rebuy: $230 NLHE MTT Rebuy: Parx Live $230 buyin Saturday

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HH Parx $230 buyin Saturday, 30 min blind levels, 10K guarantee, 20K starting stack; I am a female rec player.

~40K eff Blinds 1K/2K/400 ante, I have about 50K
I raise from utg 4200 with AJdd, UTG+2 calls, CO calls, button calls and bb calls.
Pot now 25,600
Flop 874 rainbow, one diamond. All check
Turn 2d, I check, UTG2 bets 17500, cutoff calls, button folds, bb folds, I call.
River 3club.
I check, UTG2 goes all in for 17K, cutoff folds, I fold.
How should I have played the hand?
My image was tight aggressive (I think)
 
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From UTG I think you played it fined pre/post flop, basically you didn't hit preflop so it's check-fold OOP easy call. On the river though, I think a small blocking bet of around 4K, would have been a better idea than checking with the nut flush draw just to maybe keep a larger bet away and simply getting a call so you could have seen the river at the price you wanted. That being said I still think the check-fold is a good move OOP.
 
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I would have check raised all in on the turn. Villain is probably bluffing here fairly often, and when he isnt bluffing, you have about 15 outs for atleast 32% equity.
 
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I would have check raised all in on the turn. Villain is probably bluffing here fairly often, and when he isnt bluffing, you have about 15 outs for atleast 32% equity.

It's a dry low board except for the flush draw, and the flop checked around, so I can see why a bluff by the villain is tempting.
But villain is OOP and has four opponents, with three yet to act. I put fewer buffs in villain's range than I think you do.

What hand is the hero representing with a semi-bluff here, that raised UTG pre-flop, and checked the flop and turn into four opponents, with a flush draw on the board on the turn? Maybe AA or a set checks the flop in the hope that someone catches something on the turn, but do they check the turn too?

If the villain has anything here, they are committed to call a raise on the turn, with an effective pot of 60,100 after the hero's raise. and 17,000 left in their stack.

I like the hero's call.
 
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villian could call easaly with QQ JJ 10 10 so . thats why check on the flop ...bet on the turn ... or a set on the flop ... he called your reise from UTG that means he read you as a strong hand ...thats why he just called you preflop...
 
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I would not check, I bet on the flop, and turn, river maybe I'm off! but the flop and turn I would be the aggressor of the moves! When I open UTG1 I show a lot of strength!
 
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I agree with mbrenneman0, you could check raise all-in on the turn. VIllain most like has 8x or 7x, in both cases he probably will just fold. Also you have nut flush draw, which is very good, because if villain is bluffing with flush draw he needs to call you, and you will be dominating him.

Your line is not bad too, just think that check-raising on the turn would be slightly more profitable.
 
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I recognize that its far from balanced or gto, but this us a 230 at the parx, not the EPT. Yeah there will be some good players there but i doubt many of them will be thinking about if your range is balanced. Theyll probably put you on an overpair and as long as they dont have better than that theyll probably fold. We only need folds about 30% of the time for this to be profitable (i need to dpuble check that math sometime)

The reason i think its a bluff is because it checked through the flop wouldnt villain have bet on the flop if he had something? In a 4 way pot your probably going to get calls
 
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with a set he would probably just check on the flop ... why to check reise on turn when you just have the river to come .... the UTG+2 checked the flop with overpair or set... that's that.
 
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with a set he would probably just check on the flop ...
maybe, he might also bet sets on the flop, but doesnt he also do this with Ax? weak pocket pairs 99-JJ? weak single pairs? what percent of his range is as strong as two pair or a set?

why to check reise on turn when you just have the river to come ....
to leverage fold equity for a profit in what would otherwise be a break even turn call.


the UTG+2 checked the flop with overpair or set... that's that.
how do you know?
 
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HH Parx $230 buyin Saturday, 30 min blind levels, 10K guarantee, 20K starting stack; I am a female rec player.

~40K eff Blinds 1K/2K/400 ante, I have about 50K
I raise from utg 4200 with AJdd, UTG+2 calls, CO calls, button calls and bb calls.
Pot now 25,600
Flop 874 rainbow, one diamond. All check
Turn 2d, I check, UTG2 bets 17500, cutoff calls, button folds, bb folds, I call.
River 3club.
I check, UTG2 goes all in for 17K, cutoff folds, I fold.
How should I have played the hand?
My image was tight aggressive (I think)
You played this very well.

Good sizing pre, good flop check, and turn call.

Cant do amything on the river here!
 
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I would have bet post flop to see where rest of players stand. If they just call, you are making sure pot is not floated. If they raise, I would have suggested to fold. Live today to fight tomorrow. Also, it is not your image which just matters in this case, it is the image of these other players, what kind of range you think could have?
 
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amitmanchanda,
you bet the flop and after two calls pot is too floated already, and more importantly you almost never get called with worse hands. Betting flop is just valuebetting yourself.
 
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these spots suck because none of your options are great.

Cliffs notes in case you don't want to read my novel below: I guess your play is fine cuz I can't think of better lines. Folding turn is also fine due to stack management.

Preflop is totally fine.

On the flop I would consider a small Cbet vs some players (at some tables small cbets work, at other tables people call with overs...so you have to know your customers). I'd be betting something like 8k and barreling turn when I pick up diamonds or an A or J on the turn and shutting down on most other turn cards. This works much better heads up or 3 handed. 5 handed it's basically never getting through so, I guess I like checking better....

As played....I'm not sure I love calling on the turn (though it's such a great turn card they bet 70% pot and we don't even close action, there's no guarantee we get to see the river.) Let's assume your J and A are also good and all diamonds are live you've got 15 outs best case scenario. with roughly 35% equity vs a 1 pair range you are barely getting the odds needed to call here. If this was a headsup pot I think calling makes perfect sense; or if 17k didn't represent such a chunk of your stack. The turn is dicey. I think calling is OK but I think folding is OK too.

River is obvious....you can't do anything but fold.
 
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UTG2 was a young reg, loose agg, Cutoff was also loose agg (had seen him open Q10 off UTG), button and bb tight passive.
 
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