$225 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: pocket sixes short stacked near bubble

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This is Day 2 of a large live MTT. I bagged up 102,000 and was average to start the day but now I've lost one medium pot and blinded down to about 90k when avg is about 120k. Blinds are 3,000/6,000/500. 27 players remain 24 paid.

My image is tight, though I'm fairly new at this table I haven't played a pot in 2 orbits and 2 guys are here from my old table who have a tight image of me.


1 fold in front of me and I hve :6c4: :6d4: and I open up to 16,000 UTG+1 There is a big stack in the BB who likes to defend.


There are 2 Short stacks on my immediate left. The first one has about 45k and has been very patient. I can tell by the way he looks at his hand that he has a real hand and I'm afraid he will push, but then he just flats. Folds around to the BB who, to my surprise folds!


Heads up to the flop pot contains 45,500. I have 74,000 left behind and the short stack has about 39,000 left behind.


Flop comes :10d4: :10c4: :9d4:



I get no post flop read on the short stack. What should be my next move?
 
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missjacki said:
This is Day 2 of a large live MTT. I bagged up 102,000 and was average to start the day but no I've lost one medium pot and blinded down to about 90k when avg is about 120k. Blinds are 3,000/6,000/500. 27 players remain 24 paid.

My image is tight, though I'm fairly new at this table I haven't played a pot in 2 orbits and 2 guys are here from my old table who have a tight image of me.


1 fold in front of me and I hve :6c4: :6d4: and I open up to 16,000 UTG+1 There is a big stack in the BB who likes to defend.


There are 2 Short stacks on my immediate left. The first one has about 45k and has been very patient. I can tell by the way he looks at his hand that he has a real hand and I'm afraid he will push, but then he just flats. Folds around to the BB who, to my surprise folds!


Heads up to the flop pot contains 45,500. I have 74,000 left behind and the short stack has about 39,000 left behind.


Flop comes :10d4: :10c4: :9d4:



I get no post flop read on the short stack. What should be my next move?
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I would probably jam here postflop. If we bet half pot we're priced to call, and checking here may be a bit too soft. definitely a sticky spot.

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jam preflop. antes in play it's like blind level 40k/80k. Opening is asking for trouble with a hand like 66, i'd prefer to open 87s and fold the 66 in these spots as anytime we get postflop we're essentially bluffing and our hand doens't matter.
 
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You put yourself in a difficult spot with a bad decision preflop. I would fold pre because sixes are so hard to play postflop, but if you're going to play your sixes then (like WiZ said) you should shove them.

As played, I agree with Steve that you shove postflop --- but this spot should have been avoided.

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I don't like minning with 66 here, I think we either have to jam or fold, i'm jamming this post, I think it's definitely a good enough board to get it in, it doesn't really hit villains range but there's always the chance he shows up with AA/KK here sometimes.
 
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66 utg+1 full ring, 27 left 24 paid, 15BB is fold preflop

the villain here, didnt push? if he had something like Ax or a mid pair and he wanted to risk then he should push but if he only flats should be slowrolling a monster, any other hand only is possible if this villain is very weak to commit a third of his stack and only 8BB and 27 players left,

then, hero should save some chips and checkfold unless a 7 comes on board,
 
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Near bubble only shove your pair when you have around 7M, because your stack does not allow you to do cbet in flop, after cbet you will be linked with pot, and in turn/river you must already shove or call all-in...
 
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Fold pre, as aggressive as I am, I never open jam, even at 15bb with low pocket pairs in EP.

As played, shove flop.
 
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It looks like a fold pre to me, we have 15bb and there are 8 people behind us to act, having two of them covered helps us somewhat so id like to hear what the stack sizes are behind, but given i think our opponents should be ICM invariant this feels like a tight fold to me, shoving 88 for sure, 77 is pretty tough. 66 is a fold for me. typically i don't have a mr range sub 16bb in ep, lp is different because i viably can have a r/f range. but here our hands plays so poorly v virtually any calling range and has significant RIO, not to mention that if we are r/f this hand are you also raise/folding A2s/A7o/A5o they have very similar qualities.

As played on the flop, its hard to make massive mistakes with a SPR of 1, we can x and see what happens. or we can shove, i probably opt for the former and get a read if jams and if he x we can just play the turn and be closer to showdown.
 
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also how big antes are would swing this a lot for me, if antes were 800 for example i think this becomes a shove
 
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I don't think this is an open shove pre flop. It is either a fold or a standard raise is fine. Post flop however looking at villain's stack and looking at the paired board i will jam this. :icon_geek
 
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bad position - just fold
in the SB I would jam of course
 
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bremensha said:
bad position - just fold
in the SB I would jam of course
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Totally off topic :D

He Bremensha , really nice to see you again, how are you ?
Just recently saw you playing again, missed you on the field (or maybe not cause you always were a good contender) :D
 
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hi mod, allways nice to meet old friends
want to become a member of the Cardschat Freeroll Club too
be in the thread and wait for allowance
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bremensha said:
hi mod, allways nice to meet old friends
want to become a member of the Cardschat Freeroll Club too
be in the thread and wait for allowance
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:D

Gl with that , hope 2 cu soon!
 
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I'm a little confused on ur thought process here... Knowing all of these things... Ur on the bubble that u played over a day to get to, u EXPECT the BB to defend what sounds like 80% of the time or so, and u are fully aware that there are 2 short shove stacks left to act... Ok so with all of that information accumulated why are u or anyone else who says play, getting involved here with a hand that is worthless like 90%+ (out of position especially) post flop??? I'm not trying to be condescending here but this is a snap fold for me here always. 100% of the time. With 15 BBs (M= 6.5) u just absolutely can not open ANY hand that ur not fully prepared to ride out n go to war with. 25+BBs u can get a little more shifty maybe, but not for me. I've had my best results avoiding bad spots n tough decisions. Anything short of a set or a 347 type flop is a guessing game for u out of position. Then people blame poker on bad luck.
 
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IceRedefined111 said:
I'm a little confused on ur thought process here... Knowing all of these things... Ur on the bubble that u played over a day to get to, u EXPECT the BB to defend what sounds like 80% of the time or so, and u are fully aware that there are 2 short shove stacks left to act... Ok so with all of that information accumulated why are u or anyone else who says play, getting involved here with a hand that is worthless like 90%+ (out of position especially) post flop??? I'm not trying to be condescending here this is usually code for "I know I'm being condescending, but you deserve it" but this is a snap fold for me here always. 100% of the time. With 15 BBs (M= 6.5) u just absolutely can not open ANY hand that ur not fully prepared to ride out n go to war with. 25+BBs u can get a little more shifty maybe, but not for me. I've had my best results avoiding bad spots n tough decisions. Anything short of a set or a 347 type flop is a guessing game for u out of position. Then people blame poker on bad luck.
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allright, I'm going to spare you my wrath because you're kinda new and you've posted some good things. But here's the deal. People tend to post hands in the analysis section that they know they played suboptimally. They are usually looking for other points of view or opinions of better lines, or better thought processes. It is completely possible to offer those opinions while respecting the original poster who already knows they screwed up.


As to your final sentence, I am not blaming anything on bad luck. In fact I actually won this hand when I jammed the flop and he folded. But I recognized that I got myself into a tricky spot and I was very lucky he didn't like the flop. This is not a whine or bad beat post. I think you'll find if you read a few dozen hands I've posted that I never post about bad luck; I post about tricky spots so I can learn from them and learn to avoid them. And every player (even the greats) find themselves in tricky spots sometimes. And sometimes it's our own damned fault. You can act like it didn't happen and delude yourself that you always make great decision and avoid all the tough spots; or you can delve into the hand to find your leaks. That is all I am trying to do here.
 
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Nice shove and got the result you wanted.

What no one has mentioned so far is what range they think the villain has, that calls 16k out of 45? He doesn't like his hand but can't fold it, screams small pair or suited ace. You have almost flopped perfect, a check and call his shove might have got the most value, dangerous as that is.

Me, I shove pre, tight image, early position reps far higher than we hold, so good spot.
 
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missjacki said:
allright, I'm going to spare you my wrath because you're kinda new and you've posted some good things. But here's the deal. People tend to post hands in the analysis section that they know they played suboptimally. They are usually looking for other points of view or opinions of better lines, or better thought processes. It is completely possible to offer those opinions while respecting the original poster who already knows they screwed up.


As to your final sentence, I am not blaming anything on bad luck. In fact I actually won this hand when I jammed the flop and he folded. But I recognized that I got myself into a tricky spot and I was very lucky he didn't like the flop. This is not a whine or bad beat post. I think you'll find if you read a few dozen hands I've posted that I never post about bad luck; I post about tricky spots so I can learn from them and learn to avoid them. And every player (even the greats) find themselves in tricky spots sometimes. And sometimes it's our own damned fault. You can act like it didn't happen and delude yourself that you always make great decision and avoid all the tough spots; or you can delve into the hand to find your leaks. That is all I am trying to do here.
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Haha. Ok ok. My bad. The last line wasn't meant about u. I meant bad players and clearly u are not that. So don't take offense to that. N yeah I have a few Im gonna post that I played most likely awful as well, so I get that. From what Ive read we have a different style, but I can tell u know what ur talking about. Im sorry that u thought I was saying u would blame poker on bad luck... clearly ur a thinking player. Ill get my ass in line from here on out as Im Cardschat infantry at best. Lol
 
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IceRedefined111 said:
Haha. Ok ok. My bad. The last line wasn't meant about u. I meant bad players and clearly u are not that. So don't take offense to that. N yeah I have a few Im gonna post that I played most likely awful as well, so I get that. From what Ive read we have a different style, but I can tell u know what ur talking about. Im sorry that u thought I was saying u would blame poker on bad luck... clearly ur a thinking player. Ill get my ass in line from here on out as Im Cardschat infantry at best. Lol
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